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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by steve_togo, Dec 20, 2015.
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Networks pay $$$ in rights fees to the NFL. CBS wants to leverage high NFL ratings by going directly from the late game to 60 minutes then to the rest of their schedule. That's not likely to change. Putting a half hour "filler show", which could be cut as necessary, would solve the "problem" at the expense of ratings. That could be a variable length post game show or changing the 60 minutes to 20 minutes or 40 minutes. CBS could schedule one new segment and two repeat segments on 60 minutes, dropping segments as necessary.
For years posters have been saying tivo can't do much. I used to drink the kool aid, There are several things tivo could do. I don't know what they would cost to implement and if there would be e big enough upside. Tivo pays people to watch TV, commercial skip feature. There is about an hour advance notice as to the ending time for 60 minutes, almost 2 hours for Madame Secretary etc. Years ago our units made a "daily call". Now many (most) units are connected to the internet 24/7.
1) Use something like the closed captioning information to find the real end. Turn on your cc. Don't all shows end with an acknowledgement to the closed captioning institute? I don't have the wording memorized but I think it's some kind of copyright acknowledgement.
2) I don't know if tivo could update the guide data, with or without Tribunes help, in an hour or so. Probably not impossible.
3) Our To Do Lists are available online. Tivo might be able to automatically modify the recording options of any scheduled recordings which need additional padding.
4) Tivo could send a text message to affected subscribers giving customers a reminder and a chance to use the mobile app to modify the recording.
Yes we can subscribe to a thread. Yes we can pad. People are asking what can tivo do.
Years ago there was a same day schedule change, I think a presidential address. A tivo rep posted a head up in these forums. Tivo got a message to whatever unit called in.
In this case, the 30-minute "filler" show I was suggesting would have aired in place of the rerun of "Madam Secretary", not between football and 60 minutes.
Some people keep insisting that it is a simple matter of TiVo changing the recordings scheduled for the specific program(s) that CBS modified. It isn't. Conflicts might be created that didn't exist before. Not to mention the effect on the local schedule.
No idea why this is such a big deal to people, just set a recording for Sunday nights for CBS or Fox from around 8-12:30 or so and you'll be able to catch all your shows that air late. This forum is so full of people who complain about such micro issues it's insane.
Wow. You've had TiVo for 5 minutes and already know the answer. Just use it like a VCR.
You don't have to do much of anything for fox. They changed their approach years ago by putting a disposable rerun on after their post game show. They just cut into that rerun.
Cbs is convinced that they need the immediate switchover from game to 60 Minutes although I have no idea why they think that. I'd imagine more people who watch tv live just give up on waiting for 60 Minutes than those who record it all and miss the programming in the back side. Cbs hasn't figured out that it is 2016.
When it comes to linear cable/broadcast TV, the TiVo is exactly that--a digital VCR.
CBS has gotten a little smarter with the times as they moved the start time from 7 PM to 7:30 for 60 Minutes on days there is a late NFL game about 10 years ago. Maybe in another 10 years they'll move it back another 30 minutes!
That is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read.
Starting late isn't really a problem. Anyone with a brain pads FOX and CBS Sunday night shows by an hour. It's starting early that is the problem.
I watch neither "60 Minutes" nor "Undercover Boss and "Madame Secretary" was a rerun so I missed the first 30 minutes of "CSI: Cyber".
Well if you used your TiVo like a VCR you would have had your recording, too bad you didn't, oh well.
. No, I wouldn't since I wouldn't have set up to record stuff I don't watch or was a rerun.
I'm just suggesting that as a potential way to avoid the problem in the future. There are all kinds of little issues/bugs with TiVo and lots of people on the forums complain that TiVo should fix them (and I agree they should, where they can), but there are usually workarounds the user can implement and for whatever reason users seem to refuse to do so.
CBS has figured it out. Networks make money selling ads. People tend to watch live sporting events in real time. 60 minutes ratings suggest CBS is right. CBS has figured out times are changing, hence there all access subscription offering.
Starting the local news at 11p is preferable then 11:30. CSI Cybers ratings would be lower (if that's possible) if there was a "filler"show stuck in. Technically CSI-Cyber didn't start early. There was a schedule change. The show started, as scheduled at 10p.
Changing the recordings, padding/earlier start time could create conflicts. It doesn't matter if we make the change or if tivo does it forus.
It's not a big deal. The last minutes schedule change of CSI Cyber combined with no Good Wife and a scheduled re-run of Madam Secretary meant those of us who padded the earlier shows missed the first 30 minutes of CSI Cyber.
Some of us wonder if tivo could do something to help solve these issues and jump ahead of cable DVRs by adding a new feature.
No, Fox figured it out. Cbs is still living in the three network, pre Dvr days.
Sixty minutes ratings suggest no such thing. They are not appreciably higher during football season. Meanwhile, they lose eyeballs on the back end because of delays.
Putting in filler for half an hour does not decrease the live sports. Heck, they could make an expandable 60 minutes pre show. Do live talk analysis of previous stories. First follow ups. That could be tailored to the amount of time left. Just because a network used a technique in 1970 doesn't mean it can't be improved.
As for their all access offering, they are behind the curve. Other networks are in bed with Hulu or have their own offerings for years. And cbs has a weak offering in its actual programming.
They could be living in the stone age as long as they have more viewers than any other network: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/category/nielsen-network-tv-ratings-season-to-date/
NBC does beat them in the $$$ demo.
I for one have never suggested that TiVo fix anything. My complaint is with CBS. I also refuse to implement a suggestion that would cause more problems than it solves, especially to address a situation that rarely occurs.
I've had several dvrs over the last 15 or so years. Depending on the Dvr software, I used different work arounds. If the Dvr could handle sharing a channel between two recordings, I'd pad the shows I was interested in if they were back to back (for Sunday fox back when they would mess up for the NFL). If it couldn't, I just recorded the show after the last one I wanted. If it isn't needed, delete it. There were other methods.
I never recorded a big block. That is the worst method.
Assuming you can't do better just because you are doing well is the folly of many businesses.
What is wrong with my idea. Pad with extra 60 minutes coverage? They haven't thought of it? Or at least attempted it?
So the ratings for "60 Minutes" are higher when CBS has a late game as a lead-in?
How exactly do you figure that the ratings would be higher for a show that starts 1/2 hour earlier than originally scheduled? Plus. this makes something occur to me: I would bet that CBS would not have done this if "CSI:Cyber" had decent ratings. Starting local programming at 11:00 rather than 11:30 is only preferable if every potential viewer knows about the change.
And that's my point. Once a TiVo receives the schedule change, its scheduler has to run. You can't just modify the todo list entry for the one entry. There are some situations where it gets very messy.
The change to the local programming schedule can also cause problems. The last time that something similar happened, CBS simply canceled the showing of whatever was scheduled to start at 10:30. and moved up the local programming. As a result, I missed the first 1/2 hour of "The Pinkertons"
Not sure it is worth the allocation of resources to solve a problem that so rarely happens.
Your idea is fine. I pad Madam Secretary 60 minutes and CSI for 60 minutes and don't watch The Good Wife. This works perfectly except on this one time since the 8pm show was a repeat and wasn't recorded. But I'm not mad since the missing CSI 30 minutes is free on cbs.com right now. We have learned a lesson and I will know to adjust my schedule in the future.