TiVO future - worth it to invest in a Roamio?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by gigaguy, Nov 18, 2014.

  1. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

    Sep 19, 2006
    In the ATL


    LOL, seriously? You're going to be waiting a long time then given that you won't be able to record any 4k over cable/OTA for many years.

    You're waiting for the wrong boxes to get updated, go Roku etc. when they do 4k streaming.
  2. monkeydust

    monkeydust Member

    Dec 12, 2004
    The technology is already here so I would be very surprised if we don't see it in a TiVo device within the next two years. It isn't just the TV recording/streaming, it is the apps for Netflix and Amazon that interest me. Amazon will support 4k streaming by the end of the year and Netflix already does. I use the Netflix app on my Samsung 65" 4k TV to stream 4k content since my Mini does not support it. I would rather just use the apps on my Tivo so I would be getting all content from my Tivo and not have to switch back and forth between the TV's apps and Tivo's content.
  3. lessd

    lessd Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    And you can see a big difference on your 4K HDTV using Netflix 4K streaming as opposed to the normal 1080p/24 ?
  4. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    They've already annnounced an Ultra HD TiVo.
  5. lessd

    lessd Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2005


    I guess that true, see http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s870350
  6. Bigg

    Bigg Cord Cutter

    Oct 30, 2003
    TiVo already has universal search, and it seems OK, although I don't really use it myself. I don't want my TiVo deciding not to record something because I *could* stream it instead of having a good local copy of it.
  7. DawnW

    DawnW Well-Known Member

    Nov 28, 2008

    My Tivos show activation dates of:


    How does one get a lifetime transfer offer? Just call and ask?

  8. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

    Oct 31, 2007
    Lifetime transfers were only offered for very early Series 1 owners... You cannot get a lifetime service transfer. HerronScott used his one and only transfer and cannot use it again - no lifetime transfers.

    What you can do is sell your older lifetime tivo on eBay. Lifetime S3 should bring $200+ and Premieres start at ~ $300 and up depending on number of tuners.
  9. DawnW

    DawnW Well-Known Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Do the Premiers work with OTA and Tivo Minis? Or is that only the Roamio that works with the minis?

    Thanks. that does answer the lifetime question.

    Truth is, we have 2 S3s and they work great. Not sure we need anything more, although I have thought of just getting a 3rd unit.


  10. HerronScott

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Staunton, VA
    This was a one time transfer offer from TiVo when the first S3's came out in 2006/2007. They were not offering any lifetime subscriptions at the time and there was no sign at the time that it would come back so the $199 transfer offer induced me to upgrade to the expensive S3's ($600) even though we didn't have a HD TV yet. :)

    We've gotten our money's worth since both are coming up on 8 years old and still working well with Comcast.

  11. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

    Oct 31, 2007
    That is a great question - the answer is both yes, and no... :)

    The two tuner Premiere will work with OTA but not the Mini, the 4 tuner Premiere host Mini's, but not work with OTA...

    The issue is number of tuners - the 2 tuner Premiere is actually a 4 tuner box with two dedicated to cable card and two dedicated to OTA, the 4 tuner Premiere has all 4 tuners dedicated to cable. And TiVo has made the decision that two tuners are not enough to support the Mini ecosystem.

    There is a huge difference in usability between the Roamio and your S3 TiVo's - if they are both lifetimed units, you can sell the pair for $400 and be a long way toward modernizing your experience.
  12. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Well-Known Member

    Jan 12, 2014
    Raleigh, NC
    Are you sure about that? If the 2-tuner Premiere really had 4 tuners, then it seems to me that when you use it for OTA and cable at the same time that it should be able to utilize all 4 tuners, but it can still only use 2.
  13. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

    Oct 31, 2007
    I have over simplified it - but yes, the chipset supports 4 tuners and they are segmented OTA / Cable and has been that way since the S3 days. It is the reason the 4 tuner Premiere does not support OTA and why you have to select between OTA vs Cable on the base Roamio.
  14. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow Well-Known Dismembered Member (Lurk Mode On)

    Feb 5, 2011
    Whitewater, WI
    Still a bit over-simplified. There are many chips involved in the tuning and conversion to what goes to the SoC CPU. The CPU always was, and always will be a limiting factor, no matter how many tuners the discrete tuner chips can support. IIRC, TiVo has also had bad timing in selecting their discrete chipsets and SoC CPUs, always winding up with last year's model/revision (or intentionally going for cheaper).

    Until the Roamio, TiVos have been limited and throttled, out of the gate, brand new. Could the Roamio have supported mix/match of cable & OTA at the same time? Sure, but it would have cost them more, and then we'd have more complaining about the cost of buying a TiVo, or upgrading to a newer model.

    If I'm completely honest, the SoC CPU of the Roamios are also limiting them, or the ones with gigabit ethernet would transfer much faster. A few software revisions have shown TiVo has had some difficulties balancing allocation of precious processing cycles, even with the Roamio.
  15. DawnW

    DawnW Well-Known Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Thank you!

    Yeah, you are right......if I sell both.

    I still need to fully understand what a Mini does and how it works. Will whatever TV I have the Mini hooked up to need to be hooked up to an antenna as well or can it stand alone and just show the TV programs recorded?

    We have two TVs hooked up to the antenna and then 2 other TVs that only have Roku boxes.


  16. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

    Dec 1, 2000
    Silicon Valley
    Good post. :up:
  17. mattyro7878

    mattyro7878 Well-Known Member

    Nov 27, 2014
    Southern CT
    HD DVR from Cox is $20/mnth. horrible interface , small hard drive and all around crappy product. My Premieres are $5-$7 less per month and are better in every way. I see it as paying less for a better experience.

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