TiVo EPG fallback position

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by sad_tivo_man, Jan 29, 2011.

  1. Jan 30, 2011 #21 of 107
    kitschcamp

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    The listings data is minimal bandwidth. A full feed is about 5Mb to 10Mb max per week. I know.

    Dialup and ip settings are easy changed. But anyone who wants to use the new service would have to change it.

    Each user would need a deal with digiguide personally, even then its of questionable following of contracts.
     
  2. Jan 31, 2011 #22 of 107
    spitfires

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    Say 2,000 @ £10 p.m. = £240,000 p.a. Even if an EPG contract was £100,000 p.a. (unlikely - probably nearer £50k) it looks viable to me! :)

    The "free" solution isn't really free since it needs a group of people to rent server space and manage the generation of the EPG slices. Would people pay £10 for a hassle-free-no-input-required Tivo service? I'm sure most would (say 2,000 users of which there are maybe 200 on this forum leaves 1,800 who might be interested in a non-techy approach).



    Not if we set up a company and contracted with Digiguide through that.
     
  3. Jan 31, 2011 #23 of 107
    AMc

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    IF Tivo withrew the EPG in the UK then it would be interesting to explore a replacement service. I'm fairly sure that a paid service would attract the attention of the copyright holders of the EPG data and possibly Tivo/Virgin.
    AFAIK all the other territories that have rolled their own EPG were never officially provided with Tivo. I don't know if the Oz service was discontinued when they launched officially over there?

    As there would be no official way to contact the user base your audience would be limited to the number of people you could contact on here/digital spy etc. which would only be a small proportion of the remaining customer base. That customer base will inevitably shrink as boxes die and more people move towards HD. As a business proposition I'm not sure that would make much sense but don't let me stand in anyones way.
     
  4. Jan 31, 2011 #24 of 107
    TCM2007

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    2,000 willing to pay sounds wildly optimistic. There are probably nor many more than 2,000 still in use as primary machines, and the vast majority of them will not have paid anything for the best part of 10 years. Ask them to pay now and most, IMHO will retire the TiVo and buy something more modern. Sky users will have an alternative right there.
     
  5. Jan 31, 2011 #25 of 107
    sad_tivo_man

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    Yes there is...via the current TiVo messaging system. Obviously depends on agreements etc ..... before you all start pouring cold water on the idea.
     
  6. Jan 31, 2011 #26 of 107
    TCM2007

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    Virgin have the exclusive license to provide & sell TiVo service in the UK. What you're talking about is selling TiVo service in the UK, so I'm sure TiVo could not co-operate even if they wanted to.
     
  7. Jan 31, 2011 #27 of 107
    sad_tivo_man

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    How do you know? Have you seen the agreement in detail?
     
  8. Jan 31, 2011 #28 of 107
    TCM2007

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    Because that's what they've announced and put in TiVo's annual report. Look it up for yourself.
     
  9. Jan 31, 2011 #29 of 107
    sad_tivo_man

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    It is very rare that 'exclusive' means 'exclusive'. Nor anything in reports/newspapers/etc where a simple soundbite or wordbite seems to suffice for some people.
     
  10. Jan 31, 2011 #30 of 107
    TCM2007

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    The note in the SEC filing (not usually a source of soundbites or less than precise words) was pretty clear. I posted it around here somewhere.
     
  11. Jan 31, 2011 #31 of 107
    TCM2007

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    Here:

     
  12. Feb 6, 2011 #32 of 107
    einstein

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    If this was a commerical option (by paying subscribers), my business could "offer/donate" some resources in our datacentre if required. But please note, that electricity, air conditioning, space, co-location, servers, internet bandwidth don't come free, to anyone. But we may be able to offer at a cost-neutral basis.

    If it's decided in the future, this is necessary, and there is enough interest to continue the EPG service. Although for lifetime subscribers, try them to get to part with a monthly subscription may be difficult. But if TiVo does pull the plug on them, their TiVos will also be doorsteps, like the monthly subbers as well.

    Just offering my services to help out.
     
  13. Feb 6, 2011 #33 of 107
    geekspeak

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    I would imagine it would take Tivo at least a year or two to establish their name in the UK industry. I very much doubt they would want to risk potential adverse publicity or ridicule by causing controversy, during that period, by turning off existing "lifetime" subscriptions. Especially whilst trying to get people to pay for a box they won't even own. I imagine Sky would have a field day, at the very least. :up:
     
  14. Feb 6, 2011 #34 of 107
    ramtops

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    They don't, but my servers are in a facility which offers us unlimited bandwidth, etc, so I could quite possibly offer the service FOC.
     
  15. Feb 6, 2011 #35 of 107
    Pete77

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    I agree with all of the above thoughts by geekspeak and think that the minimum period to keep the S1 Tivo going in order for both Virgin and/or Tivo to avoid loss of face or collateral brand damage is at least another three years to avoid any negative fallout.

    They really need to keep S1 service going until such time as Virgin manages to start delivering its television services in non Virgin cabled areas. This should happen in due course via a BT Vision type Virgin product, even if the extra channels non Freeview channels in non Virgin cabled areas are only available on a Video on Demand basis and have to be downloaded to the box as video streaming in real time on slow 1Mbps/2Mbps connections in the countryside will not be fast enough for HD, let alone SD.

    For as long as S1 service is still supported on the earliest boxes in the USA (even though owners there have a easy upgrade path available) then Tivo will not be able to justify a decision to pull S1 service to their UK customers. Pulling the plug on S1 service would have been far more likely in the next year to 18 months or so if Tivo had not re-entered the UK marketplace with a new version of the Tivo product.
     
  16. Feb 6, 2011 #36 of 107
    einstein

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    We also have unlimited bandwidth. but we've have on-costs.

    I hadn't seen anybody on the thread offer services.

    If you can offer FOC, excellent! As a commercial business, we cannot beat that!

    That makes the EPG service FREE! (maybe!)
     
  17. Feb 6, 2011 #37 of 107
    Jolltax

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    You guys are depressing me with all this doom and gloom.

    Has anyone emailed or attempted to contact VM to ask if they have any intentions good or bad regarding the service for remaining S1 owners? Just curious.

    I live in the boonies with no cable service of any kind, in a mischievous moment I phoned VM up and feigned ignorance (easy for me) and innocently asked about upgrading my Tivo.

    Unfortunately the person I spoke to took it to another level of ignorance and didn't know there was any such thing as a S1 TiVo and tried politely to explain to me that unless I had cable I couldn't possibly have one already ..... sigh

    Wife will kill me if the TiVo stops working, MAN THE BARRICADES AND FIGHT!

    <cue dambusters music>

    Jolltax

    (lurking the forums since 2003)
     
  18. Feb 6, 2011 #38 of 107
    Pete77

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    Not Far...
    Its really the directors of Tivo Inc that you need to put that question to in the short term, even though in the long run Virgin must have a commercial interest in finding a way to distribute its tv service to around 90&#37; of the UK's population instead of only the current 50%. To my mind BT's new 50Mbs BT Infinity Fibre To The Cabinet network that is being rolled out to about 90% of UK homes within the next 18 months or so will provide such a mechanism. But for now its Tivo that's continuing to provide service to our S1 Tivos and it has nothing to do with Virgin (save that Virgin's commercial agreement with Tivo in the UK seems to have stopped them collecting the &#163;10 per month subscription through Sky for the S1 units)

    Of course if you live in the last 10% of the population on a rural exchange then fat chance of Virgin ever getting to your area sadly until fibre optic reaches the deep countryside (may be another 10 to 15 years away). The only option in the countryside is satellite and Virgin have no interest at all in using that distribution platform.:(

    But there is no reason to think the S1 service won't continue for now just because Virgin are offering an upgraded new Tivo model to their customers.
     
  19. Feb 6, 2011 #39 of 107
    sad_tivo_man

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    I'd like to think that our concerns are getting through as I see that the latest message on TiVo has a subtle shift in direction in that is says 'if you are in a cable coverage area then look at Virginmedia'...or words to that effect.
     
  20. Feb 6, 2011 #40 of 107
    TCM2007

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    Expanding VM services over normal ADSL does not form any part of any stated VM strategy. Sadly Pete's living in cloud cuckoo land. There would be no damage to Virgin's TiVo rollout by stopping S1 services; even if it got any publicity (which it wouldn't), it hardly effects Virgin's credibility as an operator does it?

    There is nothing stopping TiVo stopping the service at all. Of course that doesnt mean that they will imminently.
     

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