TiVo Edge (Series 7 DVR for Cable)

Discussion in 'TiVo Edge' started by NashGuy, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. Jun 21, 2019 #101 of 1042

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    On the Roamio it did, but on the Bolt they switched to using the transcoding of the chipset itself so it didn’t
  2. Jun 21, 2019 #102 of 1042

    alexofindy Member

    Apr 15, 2010
    Well, I need to do a bit more homework on this, before I can make an informed post.... But here goes. This is what I'd like to see....

    My current, almost 10 year old Tivo Premiere XL may only have 2 tuners, but both can record both Cablecard encrypted QAM and OTA. Since this product was available, Tivo has not, AFAIK, offered a device that does both Cable AND OTA concurrently. For me, that's a deal breaker in terms of updating. I've had to replace the hard drive on my aging hardware, but the box still runs.

    Hopefully, a new Tivo product will have genuine expandable capacity, unlike my box which, AFAIK can only expand to a no-longer-made WD drive

    It would be great if Tivo would provide a path to affordably migrate my PLS to a new device. Face it, the cost of the Tivo service, which provides the EPG but no content, is way above market. SiliconDust charges for their DVR guide - but it's only $35/year.

    A stackable device would be a big improvement over the Bolt's idiotic (a judgement) form factor.

    And, dream of dreams, a device that will receive and record IPTV subscription channels, or whatever replaces QAM.

    I don't mind (much) paying for cable channels; streaming, for me at least, is not quite there yet. If Silicondust ever releases the Prime 6, that's what will replace my Tivo, unless Tivo has something new as described above.
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  3. Jun 21, 2019 #103 of 1042

    DVR_Dave Well-Known Member

    Apr 19, 2017
    TiVo has offered $99 PLS transfer (to a new box) on several occasions.
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  4. Jun 21, 2019 #104 of 1042
    celtic pride

    celtic pride Member

    Nov 8, 2005
    I hope they offer the tivo edge with $99.00 lifetime for my tivo premire
  5. Jun 21, 2019 #105 of 1042

    TostitoBandito Active Member

    Sep 17, 2006
    Mill Creek, WA
    In the case of Dolby Vision at least it has nothing at all to do with the hardware for an HDR-capable device like the Bolt. It's a matter of software support and whatever certification process they need to pay for. Dolby Vision is more or less just a modified version of the HDR10 spec which adds dynamic metadata supported by some additional proprietary code. The hardware in the Bolt is more than adequate.

    That said, yes in general terms I agree with your points. Tivo has never been one to be on the cutting edge of hardware/specs, and furthermore has been atrocious at keeping pace with their competitors in things they can update like apps and OS features. I still don't understand who in their right mind would buy a new Tivo device right now with IPTV on the horizon and no signs that Tivo can be remotely competitive with Amazon/Google/Apple/Roku as a streaming device. Tivo needs to get out of the hardware business entirely like I thought they were planning on doing. Their only viable future aside from a small and shrinking niche market of people who might buy their DVR's, is to try and license their OS to cable companies or other big players in the streaming market. Nothing else really makes sense since all the cable companies will soon give you an IP-based set top box and a cloud DVR with full 4K/HDR/DV support.
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  6. Jun 22, 2019 #106 of 1042

    Furmaniac Active Member

    Apr 3, 2018
    Thumbs are still used for WishLists.
  7. Jun 22, 2019 #107 of 1042

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

    Nov 25, 2003
    How so?

    edit: Nevermind. Keyword prioritization.

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  8. Jun 22, 2019 #108 of 1042

    Lurker1 Well-Known Member

    Jun 4, 2004
    Then WishLists will be the next to go. Too much text, not enough pretty tiles.
  9. Jun 22, 2019 #109 of 1042

    Joe3 Active Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boston MA
    This is TiVo's 20th anniversary and I think they're passing out lollipops or something to the first 200 TiVo customers in celebration. I disagree that TiVo never was technically competent, at one time in the beginning, TiVo was on top of its game, I am not ready to throw a shovel of dirt on TiVo's grave until I see if they have learned anything from Bolt/Hydra, their Vista Widows like turd. This is their shot, one more shot, an opportunity to stop and turn things around.

    I believe the ship has sail with licensing. It's been 20 years. Technology moves fast for companies like Apple, but for TiVo, 20 years is very old technology like the sundials. I could see how an imbecile could mistake technology time with the speed lawyers and the Courts move, which only now just got out of the time before the biblical Flood.

    Therefore, I totally agree with your statement, who in there right mind would buy a TiVo from these chuckle heads right now. Like I said, they have one shot left and it's the development of the Series 7. If they don't start at the beginning with a fully loaded machine they will not have the room in the box to do any innovation in modern technical execution that they need before Amazon and others eat them into a sad memory. At this moment in their history their legacy is theirs and need not be a sad memory of what they could have done. They have a small widow before next year where they could finally just DO IT. Just build it!
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  10. Jun 22, 2019 #110 of 1042

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

    Nov 25, 2003
    Just one view but most of these posts have been shovels of dirt on TiVo’s grave, if short of stomping to compact the dirt and dance, thereupon.

    Also hilariously delusional to think the rate of innovation/development at TiVo would markedly change within the next few months.
  11. Jun 22, 2019 #111 of 1042

    Joe3 Active Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boston MA
    It would be more crazy if I did not want them to succeed. The new Series 7 is the last call for them to do it better. But if they continue to screw it up like they have, with another weak product, it's closing time.
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  12. Jun 22, 2019 #112 of 1042

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    I would buy one if I needed it. Still a very solid dvr and much better than the crap fios would stick me with.
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  13. Jun 24, 2019 #113 of 1042

    BigJimOutlaw Well-Known Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    OTA versions just hit the FCC.

    Two models. 2-tuner 500 GB, and 4 tuner 2 TB.

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  14. Jun 24, 2019 #114 of 1042

    mattyro7878 Active Member

    Nov 27, 2014
    Two tuner?? Any young,hip TiVo fans or any of us looking for two tuners?
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  15. Jun 24, 2019 #115 of 1042
    Charles R

    Charles R Active Member

    Nov 9, 2000
    My take (guess) is all the "new" models are simply replacements forced via EOL and outdated components which ends up making them cheaper to build.
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  16. Jun 24, 2019 #116 of 1042

    BigJimOutlaw Well-Known Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    I was thinking something similar. Bolts are still uniquely for retail. By doing this they can bring manufacturing under one umbrella.

    Assuming they stick with a Broadcom CPU, they're about to hit a performance wall. Broadcom has cpu options with 15,000 dmips of performance (a modest boost from Bolt's 12k) and I think only one SOC with 21,000 dmips but that chip is 6 years old at this point and probably not available. There's not a lot of headroom to improve performance anymore.

    I fear it's going to be extremely incremental... small CPU bump (25%). Dolby Vision, but the same crippled, outdated app platform and same other old problems.

    Whatever software features they have will probably also be available for Bolt, so...
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  17. Jun 24, 2019 #117 of 1042

    BigJimOutlaw Well-Known Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    So they tested a third bluetooth option... EDR (enhanced data rate, 2 mbps, 3 mbps).

    It's a close-range protocol, so not ideal for streaming, but who wants to take a stab at that?
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  18. Jun 24, 2019 #118 of 1042

    BobCamp1 Well-Known Member

    May 15, 2002
    Two tuners works just fine for OTA, where there are only five real channels (six if you count PBS). I rarely use more than two tuners in my FIOS Bolt.

    Besides, Tivo has the data to tell them whether or not a two tuner OTA product is viable.

    Finally, there are no young, hip Tivo fans. They're a bunch of old geezers who are still clinging to cable TV. Anybody who's young doesn't watch TV that way -- they just stream it to their smartphones.
  19. Jun 24, 2019 #119 of 1042

    BobCamp1 Well-Known Member

    May 15, 2002
    Soundbars came to mind.
  20. Jun 24, 2019 #120 of 1042

    tarheelblue32 Well-Known Member

    Jan 12, 2014
    Raleigh, NC
    Amazon, Tablo, and SiliconDust all offer 2 and 4-tuner OTA DVR systems. It makes sense for TiVo to offer both as well to try to compete head to head with them with a cheaper 2-tuner model.
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