TiVo Edge (Series 7 DVR for Cable)

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  1. Oct 2, 2019 #941 of 1057
    slowbiscuit

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    Yep, resale value also made lifetime well worth it.

    At least, it did until they jacked it up to $550. That price coupled with the uncertain future of Cablecard and hmmm.

    Just wait for the inevitable bundle sale where lifetime is something like $299.
     
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  2. Oct 2, 2019 #942 of 1057
    Pokemon_Dad

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    tl;dr answer:

    Younger folks prefer the small screen streaming experience. It works well for certain older folks too. I transfer programs to my PC for editing and then either serve them to TiVo from a PC or transfer them back.

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    As our kids neared college age, they stopped wanting to sit in front of a TV to watch anything unless they had a bunch of friends over for a special event like sports or an interactive Netflix adventure. Most Gen Y'ers and many Millennials want to stream to their laptops, tablets, gaming PCs, etc. while they multi-task. Our kids mostly do Netflix and YouTube, but Tivo Online is their web/app access to what's on the TiVo boxes. The cable companies understand this, which is why most of them have partnered with TV Everywhere to provide live TV through branded services like Xfinity Stream.

    My wife's viewing habits come down somewhere in-between the kids and my big screen-centric habits.

    As for the (much) older generation, Netflix and Xfinity Stream on a tablet offer the easiest way for my 91 year-old mother to watch her shows from her bed or recliner. I may set up a TiVo with TiVo Online for her too. The biggest challenge is teaching the caregivers to launch those while I'm not there.

    Also, I have always transferred shows from TiVo to edit them with VideoReDo and other tools, then transfer them to computers and back to the TiVo boxes for watching. For example, our kids were in a bunch of big parades that were carried on the local news channel. Each year, I edited out clips of them in the parade, added some titles, and served them from a PC or transferred that back to TiVo. Like that.

    (Edit: "Most Gen Y'ers and many Millennials...")
     
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  3. Oct 2, 2019 #943 of 1057
    seaninde

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    That's great! but tech is moving so fast anymore I change stuff out every 2 years or so , so for me that's a waste of money.
     
  4. Oct 2, 2019 #944 of 1057
    compuguy

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    I guess I'm a weird Millennial then. I watch Youtube regularly, but still watch a chunk of tv on regular tv (especially when multitasking). Having the ability to transfer or stream (most) shows to a tablet or mobile device is a big reason bought into TiVo back in 2013. FiOS at the time didn't have any of those features....

    Honestly, this and the fact the Roamio Pro accepts 3.5" hard drives is why I bought a used Roamio Pro/Plus a couple of years ago off Ebay. Replaced the drive with an 8TB disk, and it (minus the TE4 lagginess) is great. Though I also got in on the Bolt transfer deal, because of the improvements the Bolt has over the Roamio base model (minus reliability; I have a AC infinity cooling fan device under it just in case).
     
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  5. Oct 2, 2019 #945 of 1057
    Pokemon_Dad

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    Guess I should have written "most Gen Y'ers and many Millennials" as there is a spectrum, and streaming skews younger. In fact, I know one pair of older Millennials that have a dish TV setup and no broadband. When they need to get their laptops on the Internet, they use Wi-Fi hotspots from their cell phones. So reaching them is easier via text than email ...which is also a Millennial/Gen Y thing as far as I can tell.

    Roamio all the way. I hate to sound like an old Boomer curmudgeon (Joneser, actually), but the Roamio line was the best TiVo ever produced, and it's been all downhill from there. The Bolt here as a buzzing board component and noisy fan, and I can't wait to take it offline after the current round of annual service ends.

    Our Roamio Pro has All-In, and it will take over along with a Fire TV Stick 4K and such. I doubt the Edge streaming experience will be fully up-to-snuff, and then there's TE4 and pre-roll. I'm planning to run a test HomeRun and Channels DVR system in parallel.
     
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  6. Oct 2, 2019 #946 of 1057
    compuguy

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    To be honest, I'm on the older end of the Millennial spectrum. I agree with you on the Roamio Pro/Plus. My bolt has (compared to the Roamio models) a noisier fan (in a quiet room, you can notice it).
     
  7. Oct 2, 2019 #947 of 1057
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Went back and looked at Premiere, Roamio and Bolt launch threads. The moods are interesting.

    A lot of anger at Premiere and the lack of any real, new features. (sounds familiar.)

    Roamio had excitement and relief from the slow Premiere and the new 6 tuners and RF remote, wifi, etc. Happy days. Tivo even made a celebratory video patting themselves on the back.

    Bolt was like, yeah, ok, cool I guess. Too soon and looks fugly but faster apps.

    I think Edge is a yawn so far? The lack of new threads is what's most telling. No "just ordered! Arriving Friday!" type threads. I think it would be more like the Premiere, but nobody's got the fire to be angry anymore, just disappointed or disinterested altogether.
     
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    I think the Edge is an incremental change when a more substantial improvement would have been well received and celebrated. While TiVo is between a rock and a harder place with the app library, the lack of inclusion of any of the popular OTT apps used by cord cutters is unfortunate. Even if only the OTA versions offered those apps, keeping their cable co agreements happy, that would have been a bit of progress to generate some excitement.

    TiVo marketed the Bolt not as a DVR, but as the center of the viewing experience. But every time the viewer has to change inputs for different apps or better app enabled features, the Tivo device moves to the periphery. In the OTA world, this invites the customer to explore Tablo, Recast, Silicon Dust, or other solutions for DVR needs. In the same vein, as the cable company equipment improves, TiVo risks becoming a lesser consideration in a growing field of choices.
     
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    tarheelblue32

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    I think the Roamio Pro was the last time TiVo really impressed me. 6 tuners and 3TB of hard drive space, along with a processor that was fast enough (unlike the Premiere), and built-in streaming chip that could handle 4 simultaneous streams. Fast forward two generations and the Edge has a smaller hard drive, the same number of tuners, and (I think) can only handle 2 simultaneous streams (may be wrong about that, but I know the Bolt could only handle 2). TiVo essentially maxed out the hardware with the Roamio Pro (with the exception of the processor speeds which obviously keep improving over time).
     
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  10. Oct 2, 2019 #950 of 1057
    krkaufman

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    There's a bit of wiggle room between 2 years and forever, though I think our ROI might have been close to 2 years owing to the number of TV locations and Comcast's additonal outlet fee. (Though, honestly, we'd have had to simply settle for fewer screens, less functionality had we gone w/ the Comcast setup.)
     
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    compuguy

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    I honestly didn't know the Bolt could only handle 2 streams....
     
  12. Oct 2, 2019 #952 of 1057
    bobfrank

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    I have owned at least one of every Tivo model (except the Premiere) from the Series 1 through the Bolt. Every one of them has lifetime. It has been cheaper for me to buy the lifetime than pay monthly or annually on every one of them. The Bolt is an exception because I haven't owned it long enough, but it won't be long before that it starts saving me money.
     
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  13. Oct 2, 2019 #953 of 1057
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    Speaking of Rovi/TiVo's processor speeds, which obviously keep improving. However, not for the product's customer. No, not this time or maybe not any time going forward. If the stats on the Edge processor is as reported, it's just enough of an improvement to handle the pre-roll Ads.

    You see, when Rovi took over Tivo they thought they were completely whole
    and yet they will never fully be complete.
     
  14. Oct 2, 2019 #954 of 1057
    Mikeguy

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    I'm into watching TV on a, well, TV as well, although even with this preferred use, I can see exceptions: on a tablet or PC/laptop in a home office or other room not set up with a television, or even outside on the porch/deck.
     
  15. Oct 2, 2019 #955 of 1057
    djones18

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    With 48 pages here and more threads on the Edge, we need a new Forum Section dedicated to the TiVo Edge.
     
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    If you call customer support, I think we have some good deals to replace your hard drive. We periodically offer All-In service transfers on promotion, but don't have anything coming up for that.
     
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    TiVo_Ted

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    That's news to me. Let me look into it.
     
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    TiVo_Ted

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    Unfortunately, the underlying Broadcom silicon in BOLT does not support Dolby Vision. BOLT can do 4K and HDR10, which is very close to Dolby Vision. If you really need DV on TiVo, you'll need EDGE.
     
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  19. Oct 2, 2019 #959 of 1057
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    They are both limited to 2 transcoded streams. With MINI, you can support up to 4 streams because they aren't transcoded.
     
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    alarson83

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    The pricing just seems absurd to me.

    Like.. a cheap $100 box with these kind of subscription rates (particularly the 1 year commitment) might make sense. A $400 box with minimal (or no) subscription rates might make sense as well. There's little in this box that does much better on the dvr side than a roamio, other than being a bit faster, and everything on the non-dvr side can be accomplished with a $50 roku.

    Seeing as you can accomplish everything non-dvr on a $50 roku, lets credit that in to the $950 price even though lets be honest most of us probably own a roku or similar device already (and many likely own things like harmony remotes so switching between dvr and roku is trivial). So TiVo is basically contending that in the current market a dvr thats a little bit faster is worth spending $900. That makes no damn sense.

    I'll stick with my roamio.
     
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