TiVo Edge (Series 7 DVR for Cable)

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by NashGuy, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. shwru980r

    shwru980r Well-Known Member

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    Why didn't Tivo break away from integrated tuners with the Edge, since they are already testing an ATSC 3.0 network tuner with the Bolt?
     
  2. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Maybe they are. Do we know for sure how this is going to work yet? Maybe that's how they make it work with Android TV, but making the tuners/DVR part an external box and the part you use to access it the same Android TV unit they sell to MSOs. A headless DVR like that could also be accessed via an app from a 3rd party device. Could be the best of all worlds.
     
  3. longrider

    longrider Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    You have realize that on this forum we are not their average customer. The average customer is probably closer to the "I cant set the clock on my VCR" user so settimg up network tuners would be so far over their head it is ridiculous. It has to be take out of the box and plug it in for most people
     
  4. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    My idea is more like a Tablo. The DVR itself is headless and all access to it is via an app on another device. The Android TV box would just be TiVo's proprietary streamer device that's running the TiVo "app" natively.

    So imagine if your current TiVo had no direct controls and you had to use a Mini to use it. Like that, but instead of a Mini it would be an app that either runs on Roku, Apple TV, FireTV or Android TV or on their own little streaming box that's running a custom version of Android TV where their "app" is the main UI of the unit.
     
  5. Joe3

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    Well, talk about being headless:)
     
  6. trip1eX

    trip1eX Well-Known Member

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    I thought we were supposed to hear about the Tivo Edge yesterday?!?!

    Now realizing it was someone hoping and guessing. I saw that promo and assumed it was a sure thing.
     
  7. dsm363

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    My TiVo Roamio Pro just stopped working this morning. Might just be the power adapter but hope the Edge comes out soon.

    Anyone know if TiVo will force their new interface to be used on newer models? The old folder structure of the previous interface is fine. I upgraded to the new one once and reformatted it to go back to the old version.
     
  8. BigJimOutlaw

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    Bolt OTA forces TE4, future boxes probably will too.
     
  9. longrider

    longrider Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I agree with your point, i was replying to the post before yours about why didn't TiVo move away from integrated tuners. While it is not a technical hurdle i do see people objecting to the "extra box" of a headless server. DirecTV went that route with the HS17 and while most people were OK with it there were still complainers from both the extra box aspect and a client is never as responsive as an actual DVR
     
  10. Joe3

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    Then it's like your crazy auntie re-gifting last years Christmas sweater you never asked for and wrapping it in fancier paper and a new box and giving it to you again this Christmas.
     
  11. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I'd be willing to live with TE4 if it meant it was an Android TV device with better/newer/more apps. If it's a rehash of a Bolt with slightly better hardware, no way.
     
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  12. NashGuy

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    I think the biggest issue with the HS17 was that it was just glitchy/buggy. But I really don't think having a headless DVR server box is a big deal for most consumers in 2019. I tried out a Tablo for a little while and found it no more difficult to set up than a TiVo, to be honest. Super easy, with clear instructions that involved only a few steps. It did require using their app on a smartphone or tablet, so I guess that would be a no-go for some folks. But aren't the vast, vast majority of those folks just sticking with whatever hardware their pay TV provider gives them anyhow? Frankly, dealing with the hassles of CableCARD (and possibly tuning adapters to boot) seems to me to be WAY more off-putting than setting up a headless DVR.
     
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  13. compnurd

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    The HS17 is not glitchy or buggy and was not glitchy or buggy. Unless you had one refrain from giving a opinion on hardware from internet people who like to complain I have had one for 18 months with 6 clients with zero issues beyond Directv clients are about twice as slow as the original Tivo mini and Directv can’t write software to save there life
     
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  14. NashGuy

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    There are LOT of posters on the satellite forms who disagree with your personal experience. Maybe DirecTV has ironed out the bugs on the HS17 by now but a lot of folks had problems with it, an usual amount versus the traditional line of Genie DVRs (HR-34, HR-44, HR-54).

    Your experience = one data point. Sorry, you can't extrapolate any meaningful conclusions from that.
     
  15. compnurd

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    Considering you are adding in the HR34 to your argument proves even more how little you know. The HR34 was a disaster. Admitted by Directv to be horribly underpowered. They even upgraded people for free to a HR44 is they called to complain about it And the “satellite” forums were littered with complaints about it. I have seen the few same people complain about the HS17. A lot of complaints by people who didn’t even have one. The unit runs the same exact software as the HR44/54.
     
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  16. Phil T

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    I was a tester for the HS17. The HS17 drove me to leave DirecTV. I had software downloads make two of my C41W clients inoperable and then DirecTV expected me to pay for replacements. The C61K took years to get stable, if it is. I tested the HS17 with 2 C61K's and 2 C41W's in November 2016, ran it for a year and then gave up.

    How much new satellite equipment has DirecTV announced since then. Zero. AT&T destroyed what was once a great service. Good luck with their overseas CSR's!
     
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  17. compnurd

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    Directv has never charged for defective hardware. Something is off here. You call. Tell them X device is dead. New X device is on your doorstep in 1-2 days
     
  18. Phil T

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    Nope, was told to go through regular channels to get replacements. CSR's wanted $99.00 each plus shipping. I did not have the protection plan. I had to fight like hxxx to get them replaced N/C. Then they extended my commitment. I gave up shortly after that because being on the phone for hours with inept overseas CSR's was not what I wanted to do any longer. I had to go through "office of the president" to get my commitment removed and cancel service. BTW, I was a 14 year customer at the time.
     
  19. Phil T

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    Also realize you are not dealing with DirecTV any longer. Unless your account has not been merged yet, you are dealing with AT&T.
     
  20. NashGuy

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    The DBS Talk and SatelliteGuys forums contain LOTS of posts like yours. Some of the regular posters there who seem to know everything there is to know about DirecTV indicate that most folks are better off just avoiding the HS17. Although, as I say, AT&T may have worked out the worst of its bugs by now (after 2-3 years).
     
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