TiVo Edge (Series 7 DVR for Cable)

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  1. Jun 18, 2019 #21 of 1027
    TostitoBandito

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    Why? It's not like you need any of that bandwidth on your Tivo. 4K streams are only 15-16Mb/sec, and you can easily have 100+Mb/sec over wifi existing standards.

    As was stated above, I think the only things that make sense for this would be a new Android-based OS so they can actually provide app support, and possibly support for future IP-based non-cablecard authentication methods. If it can't do at least both those things, I honestly don't see the point at all.
     
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    CloudAtlas

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    Remember this is aimed at Cable operators.

    Nothing special about Android OS that it won’t run on a Bolt. It’s just a Linux variant. Broadcom SoC is ARM Cortex based.
     
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    Joe3

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    BigJimOutlaw

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    I was wondering about this too. So many things, like Android cablecard APIs, don't exist. There would be a lot of porting and fresh code work. It would be great, though. Sucks if cablecard DVRs are stuck on linux.

    But if there is Android software, it probably could be back-ported to Bolts at some point too.

    As for the hardware, this one could maybe use one of the beefier Broadcom SOCs with 4 transcode streams and enough RAM to handle better quality streaming for the OTT apps (limited to 720p/30).... but other than that I'm guessing the interesting stuff will be in software.

    And hopefully the back button on the remote is larger since they can 86 the Thumbs now.
     
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    jaselzer

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    Interesting to say the least. Perhaps significantly more app support? A roku and tivo like experience wrapped in one box? That would be good. If so, I suppose it would use Android TV streaming? I do not know much about these things, but I like the idea.
     
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    BigJimOutlaw

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    In one of the FCC forms the HDD is indicated: Seagate ST2000VT000.

    2TB, 2.5", AV-rated, SMR tech.

    This lines up with something Ted said before about 3TB Bolt drives not being made anymore, and 2.5" SMR drives being limited to 2 TB. So we may be capped at 2 TB this time around.
     
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    krkaufman

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    Insane.
     
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    NashGuy

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    Well, I'm not aware of any cable operator that would really contemplate cooperating with TiVo on a software-based (i.e. non-CableCARD) authentication method for retail TiVo devices. If they want a post-CableCARD TiVo solution, they'll just partner with TiVo and license their systemwide IPTV solutions for their own STBs.

    But I agree with you on the point about using an Android-based OS with immediate access to an existing app store. The only two options there would be Fire TV with access to the Amazon App Store and Google Android TV with access to the Google Play Store. Amazon has indicated that they want to get into the business of licensing their Fire TV OS out to pay TV operators but Google Android TV is way ahead of them on that front and TiVo has already adopted it for their Next-Gen IPTV Platform. So if the forthcoming TiVo Edge were to use either, place your bets on Google Android TV.

    But if I had to place a bet on the most likely outcome, I'd say that the TiVo Edge (which will simply be a retail knock-off of whatever TiVo/Arris are developing for cable operator partners who are sticking with QAM+CableCARD) will simply be a slightly more capable version of the Series 6 hardware (Bolt on the retail side, MG2 on the operator side). It would be great if I'm proved wrong and it offered some kind of breakthrough software-wise but I'm doubtful.
     
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    TonyD79

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    Aren’t all the Roku or Apple TV apps that provide programming software-based authentication? Cable companies have already gone down that path. Or are you saying they wouldn’t trust TiVo with that scenario?
     
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    OrangeCrush

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    I believe the Bolt's SoC is MIPS not ARM. Android isn't really supported on MIPS anymore.
     
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    BigJimOutlaw

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    Bolt BCM7449 is ARM. Not sure what is in the Mini Vox but most likely the same family.
     
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    eman926

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    So I'm assuming this won't work with an over-the-air antenna?
     
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    mattack

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    Yuck. I know, having a huge drive means you lose tons when it eventually dies.. but still...

    (Though really, even a non-frame-accurate delete from beginning to pause point or delete from pause point to end would be HUUUGE benefits and get me to skim through more of the old talk shows and stuff and 'clear off' tons of stuff without actually "having" (heh) to watch/download the actual guts I care about 'now'.)
     
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    krkaufman

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    Safe assumption given the “for cable” qualifier, similar to the 6 tuner BOLTs.

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    snerd

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    Well, Dolby Vision is specifically mentioned on the label...
     
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    NashGuy

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    Yes, software-based authentication is used for cable operators' (and cable networks') own apps, with their own UIs, on popular retail devices such as Roku and Apple TV.

    But what I'm saying is that I don't foresee any cable operator opting to allow for their own raw live linear channel (or on-demand) streams to flow into TiVo's UI using anything other than the already-mandated CableCARD standard. It's not so much about not trusting TiVo, it's about cable operators not wanting to turn over control of the UI to TiVo (and its local recording capabilities), plus not wanting to expend the cost/effort that would be required to develop their own (non-industry-wide-standard) software-based version of CableCARD that they could use with TiVo.
     
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    NashGuy

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    Ha! Right you are! (I guess I didn't pore over that label too closely.) Well, I think we've found at least one significant feature upgrade of the TiVo Edge vs. the TiVo Bolt. Netflix and VUDU both support Dolby Vision. Don't think any other apps currently on the TiVo platform do. But that'll be a nice bonus for some folks.
     
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    CybrFyre

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    Picture in picture? Please?

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    Joe3

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    I am thinking that the new hardware specs are going to be too weak for them to succeed. They need to make a big break out product to attract customers and theses specs don't look like it can carry a new innovative break out product. But instead, it looks like with these specs they are starting to create the same damn rabbit hole to fall down in again. But this time, there will no next time. If they go down this road with weak specs to start, they would have missed their last chance to build an innovative product that people will want to buy. Moreover, their existing customers will not upgrade to a weak featured product. You only can get away with putting lipstick on a pig once and they have already gone there. Also, if they don't produce the full featured boat that their existing customers have been waiting for, with the short time they have left, the other products in this market would have gain time to innovate around them and will fly past them and more than likely taking the TiVo customers with them.

    The time has come for TiVo to put everything in or bust.
     
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    CloudAtlas

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    Other than the HDD what parts of the hardware specs are too weak? I think we all agree a 3TB HDD would have been better but 2.5” AV HDD’s can’t be stuck at 2TB forever, right? Maybe they’ll support external HDD via USB 3.x.

    Hey give them credit for coming out with a new DVR that most said would never happen.

    PEace
     
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