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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by stuart628, Dec 27, 2019.
Looks like you'll never be a streaming kind of person, cuz that will never happen.
I defend anyone's right to spend as much as they want to watch TV in whatever form and by whatever method they choose and to record(?) programming off site and out of their control.
I'm amused at the disdain those who pay to watch TV have for those of us who choose not to pay to watch TV and value the ability to record programming LOCALLY to watch at our convenience.
Not everyone streams... not everyone wants to stream... not everyone wants to pay to watch TV... and many of us in either camp value the ability to record programming locally and not on the cloud cause every silver cloud has a dark lining.
T3 and T4 use same guide data so f it's msing on T4 it' missing on T3
One thing the DBS and cable guides have all over the TiVo guide is reflecting programming changes in real time.
When programming is preempted like for a presidential address or changes in sports events the cable and DBS guides show the changes pretty quickly. The TiVo guide rarely shows the changes and if it does usually after the changed program has broadcast and that info is no longer needed.
On occasions that I know there's a programming change and forced my TiVos to phone home the guide rarely reflects those changes.
For me, even with TiVo's thorns it still a better DVR for OTA than all the other options.
Glad I found this post if for nothing else, then just for some affirmation LOL. I bought my first Tivo back in 2002 and never looked back. Have had Original, Series 2, Tivo HD, Roamio, and now because of the December deal, a Bolt. Everyone else I know thinks I'm nuts for buying a bot when the cable company gives you one... but unfortunately after 17 years, there's just comparison. Trying to use cable box DVR's is an exercise in madness at this point. I chalk it up to simply being "used" to the Tivo, as opposed to the Tivo being superior in every way... but that's what it feels like haha.
The interface is primarily what I pay for I guess. I have four different devices that can bring in streaming apps, so it's not really a big seller for me (although it IS easier to do it from the unit without having to go somewhere else...). Trying to fast forward/rewind or page through our cable DVR's here is a non-starter for me. Can't deal.
While I love the immense amount of material via streaming, I hate the experience. I typically can nod off while watching TV and need to go back, and quite frankly there isn't a single streaming service that can zip back and forth like TiVo. The whole user interface that TiVo provides is hands down far better than any streaming service out there. Now if Netflix let me download, or cache, the show I'm currently watching and the next episode so that I could fast forward and rewind like TiVo lets me, I'd be all in on the streaming game.
We can download some Netflix shows for offline viewing. They still won't have the zippy TiVo navigation though.
How about "paid DVR service will be replaced by cloud services." I'm a Recast user too and it will end up replacing my TiVo. Note: No ads in the guide too.
There are no ads in my guide either, since I'm still running TE3. And there's no guarantee that Amazon won't start putting ads into the Recast guide.
This part makes little to no sense to me. YTTV is already a DVR. You have unlimited tuners and unlimited storage. Your recordings stay for 9 months. A large portion of the benefit of YTTV is one doesn't have to pay $1000 for a Tivo system or $25+/mo for a cable equipment DVR setup.
And the market for archiving recordings (which is the only advantage I can think for a Tivo nowadays) is a tiny niche that a large company like Google would have no interest in.
I don't think that is accurate at all any more.
I think the Netflix experience is superior hands down.
ON AppleTV I can scroll to any point in time in a Netflix show very quickly and hit play as quick or quicker than Tivo. Hell I can just use voice too if I want.
Netflix and a lot of other streaming services use a thumbnail system to quickly find where you want to go in a recording. And the thumbnails are all cached when you play a show. I can literally go to any point in the the Irishman on Netflix right now in seconds.
Folding a live tv service into TiVo’s great dvr setup would be crazy nice think about it...and I know YouTube tv has a dvr hows their commercial skip? Do recordings stay and you don’t get a on demand version etc.
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I did think about it. I don’t see the pt. Commercial skip works good. Unlimited storage and unlimited tuners even better. Price is the best.
Right now I have an LG Smart TV and a Roku box that covers my streaming needs. While the depth of programming is there, given a choice of watching a show stored locally on my TiVo vs that same show via streaming of any sort, TiVo hands down just because of the much better performance. There is no disputing that at all.
Did I miss YouTube tv adding auto skip or fast play on every channel? And unlimited tuners how many streams can you get at once...oh well just saying your talking about streaming program itself and I am talking hardware so we will be a Little off in our view enjoy your day
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And there is no guarantee that TiVo won't start putting ads into the TE3 guide.
Does YTTV have to beat Tivo in every category for it to not make sense for Google to partner with Tivo to release a physical ~$1000 DVR that records YTTV? I don't think so.
But what about the post you quoted where it says in a nutshell, " I can literally wake up and go to any pt in a 3 1/2 hr movie in seconds on Netflix on the AppleTV?" Is that not disputing your claim that Tivo is superior for zipping back and forth?
OK.. so no ads on your TE3 device... You probably should ignore post that don't affect you. In the future, I'll make sure I add an comment for "TE3" folks to ignore this post. Maybe a section in the forum just for TE3 users should be created so they don't have to worry about modern hardware/software issues.
So........... Can we let the TE3 thing die?
And their are no guarantees in life period... TiVo might might start adding ads to TE3 devices or tell folks to upgrade or else.....
Hmmm.. Maybe I can send an email to TiVo asking them to fix TE3 to add the ads...
First of all I don't own an Apple TV. Second of all, just because owners of Apple TVs can go to a specific point with some voice command or similar does not go against my overall point. Getting to some point in a media file is generally easier with local storage than it is with remote storage. In MY opinion. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.