Tivo Copy Protected

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Park84, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. Park84

    Park84 New Member

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    Why keep on paying for Tivo when you no longer can download those most typical watched shows? Why not just pay your cable service provider @ a much lower rate for their DVR box? Why is TIVO screwing their customers? WHY? Why did I even upgrade to TIVO desktop Plus to convert to my iPod? WHY?

    I'm just venting, but I am really ticked off @ Tivo for real. This copy protection really stinks and Tivo is not much better than a standard DVR box now.

    I am sure I'm not the only one feeling this way so I just figured I vent here. Sorry for those who had to waste their time to read this... I just want my money back because I am getting less service from what I signed up for.

    Lost a customer for sure..... Time to eBay my Tivo Box!
     
  2. hc130radio

    hc130radio Active Member

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    adios!
     
  3. MickeS

    MickeS Active Member

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    I honestly haven't got the slightest clue what "most typical watched shows" you can "no longer" download. Are you talking about Amazon Unbox? Bittorrent files?

    What copy protection?

    Even if you're just venting, you could try to make some sort of sense.

    Oh, and bye.
     
  4. mike3775

    mike3775 Active Member

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    Thats what I want to know. So far, I have no problem downloadinf to my PC anything that I have recorded on my Tivo since T2G came out, except for the unbox stuff, but thats not an issue as I can easily redownload whenever I want.
     
  5. richsadams

    richsadams Well-Known Member

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    Could the OP be talking about the issue posted on this thread? I haven't seen this crop up on our TiVo's, but it seems something might be going on. :confused:
     
  6. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    99% of the time when this happens it's a simple glitch in the cable box. If you simply pull the plug on your cable box and allow it to reset it'll probably clear up the issue. If you don't have a cable box, or resetting it doesn't help, then you need to complain to your cable company. It is illegal for them to copy protect anything that is on a publicly broadcast station. So if you're getting copy protection notices on ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS or FOX then they are in violation. If they are stations which are only broadcast on cable then unfortunately they have the right to protect the content in this way, and there is nothing you can do about it. *

    Dan

    * One exception. If you have a cable box then you can purchase one of those after market devices designed to remove copy protection from DVDs and let you copy them to VHS, and put it between your cable box and your TiVo. That will scrub out the protection signal before it gets to the TiVo so the TiVo wont know the program is suppose to be protected.
     
  7. jmoak

    jmoak Beware of Conky!

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    Could be. It's kinda hard to tell.

    Something's going on? Not on my boxes. He's sure he's not the only one feeling that way. I wonder who else he's talked to?

    Will we ever know?
    :confused:

    I'd have to find out what was going on if my boxes started doing that.:(
     
  8. jtown0620

    jtown0620 TIMELORD with TiVo

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    If the poster is referencing the TiVo Cast content just download the shows from the original source to your pc/mac then move them to your TiVo. Also the movies from Amazon have to be copy protected. I don't know of any (LEGAL)Online Movie source that doesn't use some sort of DRM. I hate All DRM too but unfortunately thats going to be a part of our digital life no matter what source your using to get your content through(LEGALLY).
     
  9. richsadams

    richsadams Well-Known Member

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    All true...we need more info to help this person...if they can be helped and if they ever come back. :confused:

    In any case, he can't blame TiVo for copy protection of any sort...that's up to the owners of the material. TiVo has no control over that.
     
  10. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    This may be another case of a single rant post because the person is mad(understandable) but then they never come back as they do not realize there may be an answer to be had from this fine forum.

    Park84, please reply if you see this. What you are experiencing may not be normal TiVo operation or they may be a reason outside TiVo's control such as UNBOX license
     
  11. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    I'd bet that some people come here thinking that they are posting to Tivo, Inc. (like that would make a difference) and don't realize that we're just other customers here. :D
     
  12. h0mi

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    Hate to bump an old topic from the dead but I'm finding myself in a similar situation as Park84, except I'm not cancelling my tivo any time soon. I want to be able to copy recordings that friends/relatives would want to see but probably didn't know about & missed. I recorded a barenaked ladies thing on A&E this past weekend for my cousin but it was protected.

    My question is, are all cable channels demanding to be set to copy protected or is Cox (San Diego) doing this automatically in error? I could understand HBO et al (which I don't subscribe to). I don't get why Comedy Central would be. I want to at least make sure I dont have a hardware/cablecard problem. Broadcast channels are unprotected; cable channels are protected.
     
  13. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    The cable channels in general are not demanding to be protected (obvious exceptions of HBO and other premium channels). Cox has made the decision to protect those channels for (from!) you. Comcast made a corporate decision not to protect the cable channels after looking into consumer complaints so Comcast franchises mostly do not.

    Complain to Cox - that's the only way they'll change it. It's not being demanded by most of the channels, so they can change it.
     
  14. h0mi

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    Thats what I wanted to know. I had no way of knowing whether the content provider demanded this, or if it was Cox's decision (or it was a hardware problem) that caused this.

    Thanks.
     
  15. greg_burns

    greg_burns Now in HD

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  16. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    According to a TiVo employee I talked to at CES this year it's actually illegal for your cable company to copy protect shows which the content provider did not specifically request to be protected. So if your cable company is blindly copy protecting every channel then a call to the local cable regulatory commission or even the FCC might be in order.

    Dan
     
  17. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    Did this TiVo employee happen to point out specific rules? Unless there's been some recent FCC rule making to this effect, I don't believe that's actually true. The rules used to leave it up to the cable provider's discretion. They can apply Copy One Generation protection to anything other than core basic cable (any rebroadcast of over-the-air transmission, digital or analog, have to be placed in the core basic tier, so they can never put copy protections on that stuff). They can only apply Copy Never protection to Pay-Per-View and Video On Demand; TiVo won't make a permanent recording of things marked Copy Never.

    In another thread, someone stated that they'd complained to Comcast, who voluntarily looked into it and removed practically all Copy One Generation protection from their system except where their content providers (like HBO/Cinemax) explicitly requested it. Supposedly, they were making this the rule nationwide. It was, however, something that they did voluntarily.

    It never hurts to register a complaint with your local cable franchising authority. They're concerned with keeping the public happy with cable services and anything that pisses you off is worthy of their consideration, even if it's within the bounds of FCC regs.
     
  18. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    First off I'm not a lawyer, nor an expert on the subject. However it was my understanding that this employee was saying that that the content creator (i.e. the channel) has the option to add copy protection if they see fit (with the exception of OTA broadcasters) however it is illegal for the cable company to apply copy protection to the content without the permission of the content creator.

    So the rule we have talked about here before, where it is illegal for them to protect OTA broadcasts, still applies. This is just something new I heard where apparently it's also illegal for them to protect the other channels unless they have permission from the content provider.

    Now for all I know Cox makes all their content providers sign an agreement which allows them to protect the content at their own discretion. But if not then they are in violation of that rule/law and can be forced to disable the copy protection.

    Also, this was a very high ranked TiVo employee and not some "booth babe", so I trust he knew what he was saying.

    Dan
     
  19. mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    I wish that I was as trustful as you, but before I believe that I'd have to see a citation of the actual rule. We can find the cable provider rules in the FCC regulations which apparently give the cable provider discretion on the application of Copy One Generation protections, but this is the first I've heard of any rule forbidding it. If it existed, I have to believe that someone in these discussions would have found and cited it by now, so I really seriously doubt that it does exist, no matter how highly placed in TiVo the person claiming the existence of such a rule is.

    People in these discussions have certainly complained to the FCC about this practice and the FCC has never, to my knowledge, taken action to change cable provider application of these protections, except where OTA stuff was being protected.
     
  20. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I do trust the person I was talking to, but I'm not an expert and I have no proof, so I can't argue against your logic. Maybe someone who is in the business or knows more about these sorts of laws can chime in and let us know for sure one way or the other. (would be a useful piece of knowledge either way)

    Dan
     

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