TiVo confirms SDV dongle for 2Q 2008

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  1. Nov 26, 2007 #81 of 456
    weathertop

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    I wonder if this dongle will allow AT&T's U-verse service to play nice with HD Tivos...?
     
  2. Nov 26, 2007 #82 of 456
    SCSIRAID

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    No. UVerse is IPTV. Completely different beast.
     
  3. Nov 26, 2007 #83 of 456
    SCSIRAID

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    I was wondering about the channel map situation earlier today. The cablecard should already have all the info it needs for the linear channels. I would imagine that dongle would gather the info directly for the switched channels. Another interesting question will be whether the dongle will be able to override the analog mapping and allow me to receive the digital simulcast. Perhaps all the cablecard mapping will be replaced by the dongle. My luck, the digital simulcast will be copy protected. :rolleyes:
     
  4. Nov 26, 2007 #84 of 456
    mikeyts

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    I don't think that there's any need for more than a single dongle, whether you're using two S-Cards are a single M-Card; there wasn't a need for more than a single CableCARD to authorize and decrypt multiple service streams, once they defined the protocol in a sensible fashion.
    My local cable system maps all of the analog channels to the digital simulcast and all of them are copy protected. Thus, I can use TTG with Heroes on channel 707 (the rebroadcast of KNSD-DT NBC) but not with a recording of the digital simulcast of channel 7 :rolleyes:. Luckily for me I'd pretty much never want to copy SD digital simulcast content off of the TiVo.
     
  5. Nov 26, 2007 #85 of 456
    moyekj

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    I was also told by a CSR that when SDV does rollout that CableCard users will be mapped back to analog versions of channels < 100 instead of the digital simulcast versions which are currently being mapped to (i.e. digital simulcast channels will be switched). So not only all future digital channel additions (SD & HD) would not be available, but I would also be reverted back to analog channels. Hopefully this "tuning resolver" solution will rescue me from that bleak future. (In my case none of the digital simulcast channels are copy protected so I much prefer them to the analog versions).
     
  6. Nov 26, 2007 #86 of 456
    SCSIRAID

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    The S3 really does good with the analogs though so its not terribly bleak. TWC here doesnt give cablecards digital simulcast. Getting digital simulcast would save a lot of disk space though. I dont do much TTG so not a big hit but it would be nice to be able to do it if I wanted to.
     
  7. Nov 26, 2007 #87 of 456
    moyekj

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    I went a few months with my 2nd S3 without cablecards and the analog recordings (at best quality) were nowhere near as good as the digital simulcast versions recorded on my other S3 (with cablecards) even though they were 2x the size - it depends how clean you can get the analog signals and at some frequencies mine are pretty lousy. It's not a showstopper and nice to have analog versions available as fallback, but I'd much rather have the digital simulcast versions given a choice.
    PS: Compared to my ReplayTVs the S3s at best quality do beat ReplayTVs at high quality for analog encoding so I agree S3 encoders are pretty good, but when encoding from analog, crap in = worse crap out.
     
  8. Nov 26, 2007 #88 of 456
    ewilts

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    It depends on the input signal. Here, I get a really crappy analog signal on some channels that renders them unwatchable. I am extremely happy that Comcast simulcasts the digitals and the analogs and that the CableCARDs tune to the digitals.

    .../Ed
     
  9. Nov 26, 2007 #89 of 456
    mfogarty5

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    I agree. In fact I think the real reason the "tuning resolver" is being made available is because the FCC is currently weighing the NCTAs Opencable(OCAP) proposal against the Consumer Electronics Associations(CEA) Digital Cable Ready Plus(DCR+) proposal.

    In other words the NCTA is telling the FCC "We made the dongle available so that our customers can use third party devices to recieve linear channels and in exchange we expect you to endorse our OpenCable specification and not the CEAs DCR+."

    And I think it will work.
     
  10. Nov 26, 2007 #90 of 456
    acvthree

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    >>>You were obviously offended

    Not so obvious. I was not offended. This is of my favorite forums and I just prefer the conversation to remain civil.

    >>>The FCC did drive the process of forcing cable to get together with the CE industry to define CableCARD and the FCC did enact regulations forcing the cable

    A slow drive in the country.

    >>>I said that I considered your opinion of the FCC's purpose to be an ignorant one

    My opinion is based on observation and fits the facts as I see them.

    >>>CableCARD (and this tuning resolver) don't help the situation that the Telecomm Act of 1996 was trying to address if the cable providers are allowed to charge the same amount as they were charging for STBs for far less expensive pieces of equipment.

    For my cable provider the cable cards cost $6.00 for the pair (going to $8.00 next year).
    The STB is less than $5.00

    My provider is more reasonable than others on this forum in that they don't charge digital access fees in addition to the cable card fee. Even if the price of the dongle is a few dollars, the combined price of the cable cards and dongle are going to be more than an STB. I don't think the prices for cable cards will go down to meet the criteria you have set when the dongles arrive.

    Al
     
  11. Nov 26, 2007 #91 of 456
    doormat

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    I dunno about you but when I bought a THD, I signed a 3 year contract for service.

    Which means Cox can charge whatever they want and I pretty much have to pay for it if I want those channels. I cant take my S3 box to satellite.
     
  12. Nov 26, 2007 #92 of 456
    mikeyts

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    In the end it was a forced death-march. The FCC lost patience with the bickering and infighting and gave the participants a deadline by which they would choose a set of standards for separable security; if they failed to meet that deadline, the FCC would choose for them. They got it done. Having monitored the progress of CableCARD through several years, there is no doubt in my mind that the cable industry was not interested in arriving at an acceptable solution. No matter how you do it, separable security in user-owned devices is going to screw with their business models and goals. Again, if they had their way there would be no CableCARD and no CableCARD devices and we wouldn't be having this discussion. The FCC is all that has kept them from having their way, despite their well funded and powerful lobby.
    My provider (Cox San Diego) charges an access fee whether digital access is done using CableCARDs or a leased STB (there's a "Gateway" fee of $6 and an additional "outlet fee" of $5 for every separate television in use). Lease of any STB is $5.25 and DVRs are an additional $10/month for "DVR service". CableCARDs are $2 each, with no currently announced hike (if one happens, I'd expect a similar hike in STB lease fees). The total of what I'd pay to use their HD DVR on a single television is $26/month; what I pay for use of 2 CableCARDs in a single device is $15 (they wanted to charge me an outlet fee for each--assuming 2 CCs meant 2 TVs--but I argued them out of it); they'd have to charge a whooping $11/month for use of the tuning resolver for it and 2 CCs to equal the cost of leasing a DVR from them. A year ago, I moved from a TWC San Diego and their fees were similar.
     
  13. Nov 27, 2007 #93 of 456
    TiVoMonkey

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    With Time Warner Cable's new Mystro Digital Navigator and OCAP Digital Navigator, it is possible to search for VOD movies and shows from the list of all available shows in the guide.
     
  14. Nov 27, 2007 #94 of 456
    sooka

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    What you were told by the CSR was most likely correct, at least as it pertains to Cox Cable, because here in Fairfax - Northern Virginia where Cox has already implemented SDV, cable card users had all of their channels below < 103 mapped back to analog versions, leaving only the local NBC affiliate channel 4 as the sole digital simulcast channel on the low tier. Before SDV, all the channels below 103 here for cable card users were digital simulcasts with the exception of the local PBS affiliate which had been kept analog to allow for the embedding of TV Guide On Screen Programming Guide in the VBI for those people who have DVRs and TVs to continue to receive the Guide.
     
  15. Nov 27, 2007 #95 of 456
    bicker

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    I think you've hit the nail on the head, there.
     
  16. Nov 27, 2007 #96 of 456
    pmiranda

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    Yeah, I'm similarly happy with the way TW-Austin currently puts analogs 1-78 and the (SDV) simulcast up at 1701-1778.
     
  17. Nov 27, 2007 #97 of 456
    BobCamp1

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    They'll cancel your service. Then when they botch that and realize you're still getting cable even though you've moved onto DirecTV, you'll have the police show up at your house with a search warrant for cable theft (which they half-heartedly executed), and after chasing off the collectors you will eventually end up in small claims court. You'll come to a settlement with them and get $200 for your troubles plus a free year of cable (remember I switched to satellite). That's what happened to me anyway. YMMV.
     
  18. Nov 27, 2007 #98 of 456
    vstone

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    Another view is that "If you want a DVR bad enough, you'll get a bad enough DVR." The cable companies wanted a piece of the DVR pie, but were not willing to fund a fully developed GUI (or even TextUI). Better is the enemy of good enough and "good enough" is fairly flexible. Programmable VCR, anyone?
     
  19. Nov 27, 2007 #99 of 456
    ToddNeedsTiVo

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    Ouch, I'd love to read that whole story! Gettin' over on the cable company? Do tell. :)
     
  20. ldudek

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    lol:)

    Since when does anyone ever believe anything that a CSR says about SDV?

    Rule #1 Never believe anything a CSR tells you.

    OK, seriously you can believe somethings but this is just pure science fiction. It doesn't make sense. Why would they take 100 analog stations which use much more bandwith then digital and use them for the "dual" purpose of broadcasting exculsively for CableCard users. The idea is to create more bandwith and one of the main ways of doing that is converting analog to digital. Now once you do that then you decide what is SDV and what isn't. Making the analog stations digital and available for cable cards makes more sense.

    But since they are going to make the dongle available, there may be no point in doing that either.
     

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