TiVo confirms SDV dongle for 2Q 2008

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  1. Nov 26, 2007 #41 of 456
    ah30k

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    I was primarily thinking of cable company deployments, but since we're on it, when did they first announce the projected launch date for these and when did they come out? Did they announce five months ago that TTG/MRV would be available in Nov? It was more like three weeks in advance. Did they announce eSATA 6 months in advance? It was more like a hacker found it and posted the solution.

    My point was that a 'dongle will be ready in Q208' announcement should not be read as too much of a real date.
     
  2. Nov 26, 2007 #42 of 456
    ewilts

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    Actually, the first CableCARD is not provided as a 'good faith' item - it's provided *instead* of a digital set top box. You don't get both (at least around here). It just so happens that the price they charge for the CableCARD and the STB is the same.

    There are people already seriously impacted by the lack of a solution and they in fact did make bad purchasing choices. For them having a solution in 2008 is about a year too late.

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  3. Nov 26, 2007 #43 of 456
    BobCamp1

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    You forgot about the cost of the installation fee! I assume there's going to be a truck roll for installation.

    I think the fee will be around $5-$10 per month. It most certainly will not be free.
     
  4. Nov 26, 2007 #44 of 456
    classicsat

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    As far as TTG/MRV, I think this summer they were saying "November". They never said anything about eSATA (apart from that weirdly coded message from Shanan), it just happened.
     
  5. Nov 26, 2007 #45 of 456
    freediverdude

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    I know this is going to sound like a really really stupid question, and I don't come here often, but I am wondering, is this SDV going to affect people like me who don't have a cable box currently, and only have the analog channels? Right now I have a series 2, with just the raw cable going in. I'm in the Tampa Florida area with Brighthouse (which I think is a fancy name for Time Warner). Is all this going to require me to get a cable box and then this dongle? I'm starting to get scared, lol. Please let me keep my $53 a month bill! hehe
     
  6. Nov 26, 2007 #46 of 456
    vstone

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    Because it will actively interface with the cable infrastructure. The cable companies will want to control this and I won't blame them a bit.
     
  7. Nov 26, 2007 #47 of 456
    dswallow

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    Over time analog channels will make way for more digital services since the bandwidth is more efficiently used that way. But otherwise SDV has nothing to do with analog services.
     
  8. Nov 26, 2007 #48 of 456
    davecramer74

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    must have been awhile since you had it? Seems pretty organized to me now.

    HD
    HD movies
    By Category
    Premium channels
    Free
    New releases

    Its quite organized actually and there is a reason they do the sub categories. Like when you goto premium channels, you can search on the channels you are subscribed to, etc. I use on demand to watch movies. Rarely do i even tune my movie channels. Its like a giant DVR. I'm amazed you found it unusable. Its one of the better features the cable companies have come out with in the last 10 years. The Main reason i havent got a tivo is because it doesnt support VOD. Im holding out hope that this new dongle will support all 2 way coms
     
  9. Nov 26, 2007 #49 of 456
    bizzy

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    I also am taking the date with a large grain of salt. We're waiting on the cable companies here, not Tivo.

    How long have the Comcast MotoTivo's been 'soon to be available'?
     
  10. Nov 26, 2007 #50 of 456
    Langree

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    The OD selection seems to differ from market to market, Sacramento had some selections I enjoyed on my visit in Sept. Came back to Houston and I didn't have half of what was offered in Sac.
     
  11. Nov 26, 2007 #51 of 456
    vstone

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    I agree. We must remember that in addition to the two major cable system providers(SA and Moto), there are others. The SA boxes have at least two different kinds of software. Some, maybe all, of the SDV equipment providers are NOT SA and Moto. Some systems are going all digital in 2008; others will wait. There will be a multitude of different system configurations.

    Let's just be happy that a resolution is on the horizon.
     
  12. Nov 26, 2007 #52 of 456
    vstone

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    I expect SDV to be more than a FEW extra channels. If it was only a few, they probably wouldn't do it.
     
  13. Nov 26, 2007 #53 of 456
    jlb

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    I see nothing in that original article that says there will be a rental fee.

    I know, I know, we all think most cable companies are evil and will charge. However, I think there is a real possibility that this will be free and possibly fall under the legal requirements to be able to have "access to all channels".

    Heck, some systems, as noted in various threads, are going all SDV. Without this device, if you are a TiVo S3/HD owner, you lose access. Granted, it was a choice to get the TiVo, but I just don't see this being a $14.99 device.
     
  14. Nov 26, 2007 #54 of 456
    bizzy

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    I suspect, but can't say for sure, that there are some FCC restrictions on the monthly fees for CableCards. I don't think the same restrictions are in place for rental of the tuning resolver, and I honestly can't see most cable companies being generous when pricing the device that loses them a monthly HD DVR rental fee.

    I predict the tuning resolver will cost as least as much as, if not slightly more than the monthly HD DVR rental fee.
     
  15. Nov 26, 2007 #55 of 456
    mikeyts

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    I doubt that the lease cost will be any greater than that for the CableCARD itself.

    It's also a great candidate for free user self-install since its protocols can seek any necessary registration or "activation" through communication back to the cable system. They could let you pick one up or mail one to you as is commonly offered as an option for cable modems..
     
  16. Nov 26, 2007 #56 of 456
    MickeS

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    Yeah, currently I'd describe it as a few, but no doubt they will want to add the majority of digital channels as SDV soon enough, to reap the benefits.

    I also wouldn't be too surprised if the dongle would simply be included with the CableCARD rental, and not be a separate fee/item.
     
  17. Nov 26, 2007 #57 of 456
    mikeyts

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    We'll see, but that will cause massive negative publicity for the cable industry and appeals to the FCC to bring the pricing under regulation. The cost of these little devices will be trivial in comparison to an actual STB.
     
  18. Nov 26, 2007 #58 of 456
    vstone

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    Exactly! Out here on a minor Comcast systems we get Comcast ads for on Demand via Channel One (channel 1 here provides about one system mesage a year to us) and for HD On Demand, with only one of the five On Demand HD movies actually being available to us.
     
  19. Nov 26, 2007 #59 of 456
    bizzy

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    If I was a shareholder of a cable company that did this, I'd be calling for the chairman's head on a stick at the next shareholder meeting.

    Providing this resolver at less than the cost of an HD DVR rental simply doesn't make financial sense for them.
     
  20. Nov 26, 2007 #60 of 456
    MickeS

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    You could also see it as them GAINING a monthly hi-def programming fee.
     

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