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Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by cwoody222, Nov 26, 2007.
Nice quote in there. Good for you TiVo
Sweet. That looks like a snap to install. I think if these things get approval and work fairly well I'm a happy camper. So far SDV hasn't become an issue and it looks like TiVo may have beaten SDV to the punch around here.
Just got this in my email from Tivo...
Dear Valued Customer,
Your friends at TiVo want to inform you about some changes in digital cable that could affect your TV viewing experience. Some cable operators are in the process of introducing a technology called Switched Digital Video (SDV). You may be made aware of this technology in the context of your provider informing you about the migration of certain lesser viewed existing channels or the introduction of new channels using SDV.
Unfortunately, today's CableCARD devices including the TiVo HD and Series3 DVRs do not currently support SDV, but the good news is that TiVo is working with cable operators to develop the Tuning Adapter, a solution that is currently being tested by your cable provider and will be available in the near term.
The Tuning Adapter will enable you to access the full spectrum of HD channels that the cable provider offers and should be made available by your local cable provider later this year. Although the majority of cable customers currently are not affected by switched digital services, we will continue to work with the cable industry to try to minimize the impact to subscribers that are inconvenienced.
We will keep you posted on developments as they occur and we greatly appreciate your patience during this transition.
The TiVo Product Development Team
PS. For further information please visit www.tivo.com/switched
Doesn't cablelab testing typically take many months?
I just got the same e-mail; not sure if it was targeted at markets with SDV or if it was a general blast to S3 owners.
I live in Rochester, NY which was one of the first SDV markets; it's been mildly annoying to not get around half a dozen channels, but since the beginning of this year TW has added 15 HD channels (most of the major cable networks - Science, Discovery, Food, SciFi) that I can't tune. I hate the SA/Cisco DVR so much I stick with the TiVo, but my Tuning Adapter can't get here soon enough.
(Seriously, I'll do anything... who do I need to bribe?)
I got the same e-mail here and TWC San Diego isn't using SDV yet (though I understand that they're set up for it ).
actually it looks like it's just a week or so. Then several weeks wait for some board meeting to get the signatures. The problem is the testing is sceduled only every now and again. Tivo and the SDV people are all schedule for the next "wave" of testing.
If cablelabs wasn't so rigid, they could all probably test together tomorrow, be done in a week, get approvals signed by the first week of june and have units at cable providers offices by the second week of june.
But for whatever reason they schedule these "waves"
because many of the people involved do this as aprt of a larger job at their Cable employer. Thus the need for scheduling so people can prepare ahead and plan the time they will spend on cablelabs items in advance.
has anyone seen how much TWC is gonna fleece us for the TAs??
That's a rather big "dongle".
Good to see the progress.
That's what she said.
Sorry; I couldn't resist the Michael from The Office one liner.
Seriously though; it has grown from a tiny, little dongle to an entire box.
Also, with regards to the Motorola model, has anyone else here had significant reliability problems with the STB version of this (DCT700)? We've gone through three of them on our kitchen TV, and my in-laws are on the second in eight months. I hope it isn't a motherboard problem (bad capicitors, overheating, etc) that transfers over to the dongle (not sure if their using the same internal parts or not).
What do you think happens to all those DCT700's you are sending back?
How can that be? Tivo said they expected these to be available Q2 2008 and free. Why, Cable would NEVER be late and charge us for them, would they?
I think the Motorola boxes are "further" ahead that the Cisco boxes (at least they seemed to have their protoype available sooner than Cisco). Although I think I read somewhere that Cisco said they're target Q3, 2008 for release.
Although who knows when the cable companies will have them.
Guess we'll find out.
I wonder though if it would be possible to use say, a Cisco device on any SA/Cisco cable provider? Or is there something magical that the cable company has to "authorize" first (ie, you couldn't just go buy one on eBay or something and use it instead of waiting for your cable company to provide one).
It was never a tiny little dongle, except in the minds of TCF members . The earliest rumors even assumed that it would use a box just like this.
I think MSOs will apply a very reasonable fee for the Tuning Adapter; I'm going to guess $3-$4 per month each.
That's reasonable? on TOP of cable card prices?
At this point (having over 100 SDV channels), I'll happily take one (if it's free, otherwise I'll just grudgingly take one) even if it was the size of a TivoHD.
Reasonable to an MSO.
I predict that the combined price of the tuning resolver and cable cards will be at or just a little higher than renting a DVR from the MSO for most MSOs.
I think that it will be less. For one thing, in both HW and SW, this application is far less complex than a DOCSIS cable modem and those can be purchased at retail for $30-$40--in quantity, these should cost the cable providers less. For another thing, they didn't create these things to make money; they were created as a political gambit, part of an effort to convince the FCC to not force them to work on the CEA's proposed DCR+ standard, which they claim will cost them years of effort and hundreds of millions out of pocket. Producing the thing and preparing to distribute it without waiting for the FCC to draft rules to force them to do it is a show of unbelievable cooperation. Charging anything much to lease them will make it a complete waste of time, ending with the FCC siding with the CEA and pretty much putting nails in the coffin of their precious <tru2way> initiative. $4/month + $2/month for an M-Card is on approaching the cost of leasing a full tuning STB--the CEA would be all over that, arguing that the introduction of the Tuning Adapter, far from the apparent cooperative response to their plight of not being able to make an SDV-tuning low end product, was in fact a disingenuous money grubbing move and further proof of the need for DCR+, so that they can engineer low-end televisions and STBs that will free the masses from the perpetual tyranny of high cable equipment lease fees .
Of course I could be wrong. I personally wouldn't be happy with $3-$4/month + CableCARD lease, but I would grudgingly pay it. But I only have a single TiVo Series3. Others here with 3 or 4 or more CableCARD TiVos will have somewhat more cause for complaint.
And to regulatory officials, the arbiters of what is reasonable to society in this realm.
Perhaps. Maybe as little as $1.99. Less than that, it wouldn't make sense to charge anything, IMHO, and while many MSOs will elect to just built it into the standard fees (and thereby make everyone subsidize the few of us needing this) some won't, and those will charge something significant, like $1.99 or more.