TiVo confirms SDV dongle for 2Q 2008

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  1. vstone

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    I can't imagine that 40% of sets receiving OTA signals even now have ATSC tuners, but I have nothing to back that up.
     
  2. GoHokies!

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    With nothing to back my opinion up, I don't find it all that unreasonable.

    Having roughly half of the antennas on rooftops are hooked to new fancy HDTVs, getting that beautiful digital signal and the other half are hooked to 1970's era SDTVs? Sounds pretty fair to me.

    Location has a heck of a lot to do with it too. I'm sure that there are more antennas connected to ATSC TVs up here, and more antennas hooked up to older TVs down there in Martinsville (not an insult, I love that part of the world).

    I wonder how those numbers would change in 2008 when you add in a number of cable+OTA that seem to have been ignored in the 2005 study.
     
  3. vstone

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    I would think that those replacing TV sets (other than for broken sets) would be the ones who want more from TV and thus have cable or satellite, especially (but not exclusively) sports. I put up a flying saucer antenna to get local HD before it was available from DirecTV or cable, but I don't see myself as the norm. I moved into my mother's house in 1984. This house was the last one on this 2 mile long street that still used an antenna and rotator.

    I know two others with antennas. One is a guy in his late 70's who will probably get a $49 Walmart converter this month. He dropped cable some time ago during one of their periodic rate hikes.His primary TV is so old it has no AV inputs.

    The other is my brother. He got DirecTV in 1994 (Roanoke was one of the first two rollout test markets) because cable didn't go out his rural road. He ended up replacing two TV sets in two years (2004 and 2006), but neither had an acceptable OTA ATSC tuner for his location. There are areas out in the county not served by the cable company because of sparse population.

    I just can't see the OTA crowd as big movers to HDTV, although I don't disagree with reports that folks have put up antennas when they did get an HDTV.
     
  4. bicker

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    Note that Martin's comments clearly indicate that the intention to open up a competitive market within which different manufacturers could sell boxes. It isn't necessarily consumer focused in the slightest.
     
  5. jrm01

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    How is the creation of a competitive market with additional choices not "consumer focused in the slightest"?
     
  6. bicker

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    You left out the critical word in my message: necessarily. Please argue with me about things I've actually written, not what is simply easier to argue against.
     
  7. jrm01

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    Even considering the word "necessarily" my point still stands. It is necessarily consumer focused, albeit not necessarily not resulting in consumer benefits.
     
  8. bicker

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    Not necessarily. The statement addressed the establishing of opportunities for CE manufacturers.
     
  9. wierdo

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    Dish already uses an open standard, they just refuse to supply an access card for a box they didn't make. If they did, there would be tens or hundreds of different options for boxes to use with their service. Some with DVR capability, some without.

    DirecTV could have pretty easily switched to straight DVB from their not-quite-DVB system, but doesn't care to do so. (DVB wasn't quite finalized by the time they and USSB launched) They still could build boxes that can do standard DVB and their proprietary DSS and migrate to DVB once they had enough of those in people's homes. Before the HD transition would have been the time to make that decision, though.
     
  10. sfhub

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    It isn't necessarily not consumer focused in the slightest either.

    Let's not play word games, this is what Congress said in 1996:

    "Competition in the manufacturing and distribution of consumer devices has always led to innovation, lower prices and higher quality."

    This is what Martin said:

    In a new era with a competitive set-top box market, consumers will enjoy greater choice and reap the benefits of exciting and innovative features – such as the ability to watch Internet videos or view slideshows of family vacations on their tv sets.

    Personally I don't feel re-interpretation of what was said is necessary.
     
  11. bicker

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    Note how Martin said NOTHING about lower prices for consumers.

    However, in a way, you're correct: None of what Congress or Martin said matters. What matters is the reality. And the reality is that our country has effectively turned away from the consumer-focused liberalism that spawned the regulations we're discussing, and therefore in their implementation they shall not achieve your personal vision for what you believe they should achieve for customers.
     
  12. hddude55

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    After reading this page of the latest posts on this thread supposedly involving the arrival of the "dongle," I was hoping all of these new posts heralded some news on the dongle front. Thanks for nothing.:rolleyes:

    At the risk of stopping all of these fascinating squabbles -- could this all be Al Gore's fault? --does anyone have any news about the arrival of the dongle?
     
  13. bicker

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    This happens a lot on online forums. From a rational standpoint, folks probably shouldn't expect to hear any real news about it at this point in time, but people are still concerned about it, trying to milk the ether for whatever dribs and drabs of even marginally-credible speculation there might be, just to have something to focus on while waiting for a resolution to their concern. It's perfectly natural.
     
  14. NickIN

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    All I know is that I had DirecTV and dumped them for cable when the S3 came out. Now if the dongle doesn't come out soon I'm about to dump TiVo (and cable) to go back to DirecTV which has FAR more HD channels than my cable company will anytime soon. Brighthouse better hurry up the process a little. If June/July gets here and I don't have one in hand I can't see myself sticking around. I've never used the DVR the D* is offering up, but it can't be that bad.
     
  15. JWThiers

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    Opinions vary, mainly ease of use from my understanding. I have a friend who had one for a week and told D* to give him a box to return it in or he was throwing it in the lake behind his house.
     
  16. bareyb

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    Don't be so sure. From all reports, the DirecTV DVR is pretty lame. At least compared to TiVo. I have heard the Dish DVR is relatively stable and does a good job though. If Comcast/TiVo pisses me off enough, I expect that will be my next DVR.

    Keep in mind that Comcast already has a second gen Motorola Box that can run TiVo software and as far as I know, has all the capabilities that they S3 is missing. They are being tested back east, and should be more widely available later in the year. That may be an option for some people too. I know I plan to get one when the time comes just for PPV and ON Demand. I am currently using the 2nd Gen. Moto box without the TiVo software and let me tell you, it's head and TAILS better than the old one. So there are options available. I too loved DirecTV, but until they come up with a decent DVR I won't be going back.
     
  17. ycrazyy

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    As others have said, opinions vary on this DVR (HR20 or HR21, whichever flavor you get). I have 2 of these right now and just bought 2 TivoHD's for when I move next week and am having cable installed. The DirecTV DVR isn't bad, but coming from a TiVo and going to these as I did, you will notice a HUGE difference and miss many of the TiVo friendly features. You will get used to it and it is "adequate" though... but don't be so amazed at the HD content they are offering, it's not as wonderful as they claim...
     
  18. bareyb

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    Here's a snippet from the article and picture of Cisco's new adapter being submitted for CableLabs approval.

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  19. davezatz

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    Yah, that's one of the pics TiVo gave me. Here's another

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