TiVo confirms SDV dongle for 2Q 2008

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  1. Feb 6, 2008 #281 of 456
    QZ1

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    Did the Tuning Resolver press release say Q2 of Tivo's fiscal year?
    If not, then it would be understood to be Q2 of the calendar year.

    Regardless, though, frequently consumer electronics fail to be introduced on time, anyway.
     
  2. Feb 6, 2008 #282 of 456
    bareyb

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    It better. That's the only reason I'd need one. ;)
     
  3. Feb 6, 2008 #283 of 456
    ah30k

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    Dude, no one really uses FY quarters when talking about release dates. Also, the FY is only one month off the CY so there is not much difference anyway.
     
  4. Feb 6, 2008 #284 of 456
    QZ1

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    Exactly my point.
     
  5. Feb 7, 2008 #285 of 456
    mikeyts

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    Really? You don't care what channels your system adds as SDV that you won't be able to view with your TiVo without this device? You just care about PPV? You have a unique perspective.

    Be prepared for disappointment, since there is no indication that initial versions of this will work for PPV. The specification make no mention of either PPV or VOD.
     
  6. Feb 7, 2008 #286 of 456
    ADG

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    Not so unique. I, for one, agree that PPV and VOD are unimportant (to me). I simply want to be able to receive the same channels that are currently available to me.
     
  7. Feb 7, 2008 #287 of 456
    gatzke

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    I thought the same thing for a while, PPV and VOD are not needed. Unbox + my HTPC work ok for me.

    Now Time Warner is talking about tiered internet levels. You get a surcharge if you go over some cap. Some have mentioned the cap may be as low as 40GB per month, which you could hit easily if you like PPV and VOD from Unbox or iTunes.

    So maybe we have to go DSL but stick with the TWC monopoly? Or move back to dialup :) ?
     
  8. Feb 7, 2008 #288 of 456
    morac

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    I've seen 5 GB per month listed as one of the possible caps, which is good for maybe one or two movie downloads. It's a low level tier, but there were no prices listed with the tiers so it may be close to what you are paying now.
     
  9. Feb 7, 2008 #289 of 456
    davezatz

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    I assume we'll see a few variants of the "tuning resolver" - so the timing could vary dependent on manufacturer. If this item isn't offered in retail (likely), it may well push launch past Q2 given MSO QA/certification timing and such. Then again, they may not have made that announcement unless they were already far along in development...

    Though it won't help many of us, the best solution is an updated TiVo HD with "resolver" technology built in.
     
  10. Feb 7, 2008 #290 of 456
    Audiodynamics

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    I have Comcast in the New Haven CT area. I don't seem to be affected by SDV YET! Is anyone from my area aware if we're losing any channels to SDV?
     
  11. Feb 7, 2008 #291 of 456
    mikeyts

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    The "uniqueness" of his perspective was an apparent statement that he didn't need the tuning resolver for anything other than PPV. I think that most of us want it because we're in cable systems where every new HD channel, like TLC HD, Food HD and Sci Fi HD, is being added as an SDV service and therefore inaccessible by TiVo and other unidirectional CableCARD devices, to people whose subscriptions would give them those channels if they were using leased cable STBs. For most of the participants in this thread, PPV is a secondary concern at best.

    I recently heard that my system is currently offering 55 movies for "rent" in VOD; during the first years that they offered HD VOD, they never got up over a dozen, and 3 or 4 of those would be hour-long IMAX pieces available to HDNet and INHD subs. There were times when they offered no more than 4. I'm considering leasing a non-DVR box just to have access to all this emerging HD VOD. It would be nice if they expanded the capability of the Tuning Resolver to support PPV and VOD, but it's not mission-critical.
     
  12. Feb 7, 2008 #292 of 456
    bareyb

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    As far as I know, we don't have any SDV channels in my area at all. So far. So the ONLY reason I have a Comcast box is for ON DEMAND and PPV. If the tuning resolver was able to pass through PPV and ON DEMAND then that would finally free me from the Comcast DVR. I'm sure SDV is coming here at some point though, so a tuning resolver that would do both SDV and PPV would be the only thing that would allow me not to have to rent a Comcast box. So in my case, the only immediate interest in this dongle would be to get PPV. On Demand is something that people will realize once they have used it how great it is. We don't use it that much, but man, when there's nothing else on, or you missed one of your favorite network shows (many of these are free on ON DEMAND) it sure is a nice feature to have.
     
  13. Feb 7, 2008 #293 of 456
    That Don Guy

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    The problem with getting the TiVo to work with PPV and OnDemand is, how do you get the remote control signals needed for the OnDemand/PPV menus to get from the TiVo remote to whatever drives the menus, without running the risk of having the TiVo think that the remote signals are meant for itself?

    The only way I can think of doing this off the top of my head is to include some sort of IR receiver (sort of a "reverse IR blaster") on the tuning resolver hardware, and have some way for the remote to send signals that the TiVo would ignore, or at least use signals that the TiVo wouldn't use in a "normal" situation (for example, do the arrow keys or the Select button do anything when you're not in a menu and don't have the guide or info displayed?).

    However, PPV might not necessarily be a problem if you're willing to call in PPV choices on the phone (or use a computer* to buy them online), at least if it's assigned to a particular channel (e.g. 801 for major live PPV events). I wonder why you can't do this now with a TiVo (by just tuning it to 801 at the right time) - for that matter, I wonder if you can do this now.

    *I had a House lightbulb-over-the-head, rush-to-stop-the-surgery moment at this point. Why not have the OnDemand menus available online, so people with TiVos can use the service - when a program is selected, it would assign the program to a predesignated channel set aside for just that purpose?

    -- Don
     
  14. Feb 7, 2008 #294 of 456
    bareyb

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    I can call in PPV and have them show up on "all boxes". However. TiVo S3's have DRM copy protection and it deletes them after 90 minutes if you don't watch them at the time they play. The Comcast box doesn't do that, so it's the main reason I keep one of their boxes. ON DEMAND is another feature that I can't give up, and it sounds like the Dongle isn't going to address that yet. Although ordering online would be a great work around and just have them show up on Channel 1 on the TiVo like they do on the Comcast box.
     
  15. Feb 7, 2008 #295 of 456
    mikeyts

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    If there were extensions to the Tuning Resolver protocol to deal with VOD, TiVo would know that you were viewing a VOD channel the same way that it would know that you're viewing a SDV channel--the channel tuning map that it used to access the channel would identify it as such. While viewing a VOD channel, the TiVo would interpret the playback control remote buttons differently, sending the appropriate commands to the network through the Tuning Resolver to control VOD playback.
    PPV and VOD are the only business models that the FCC's encoding rules allow to be marked with Copy Never protection. If TiVo is actually creating named copies of Copy Never content, whether it deletes them within 90 minutes of recording or not, they're making highly liberal interpretation of that protection mode. It's clearly intended to allow the creation of an up-to-90-minute-long trick-play buffer and not specifically to allow the retention of such contents in a general purpose recording file for 90 minutes. Since TiVo only keeps a 30-minute trick-play buffer, you should really only get 30 minutes to play around with it. It may be (probably is :rolleyes:) that the text of the regulation isn't precise enough to forbid the creation of a named recording, and making a named recording with a 90-minute retention time is within the letter of it.
     
  16. Feb 8, 2008 #296 of 456
    morac

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    When I spoke to a Comcast rep a short while ago I was told by the end of the year that there would be around 1000 HD titles available by years end. He told me that obviously Comcast wasn't adding 980 HD channels so the vast majority of HD content will only be available via VOD.

    He also told me that they will probably add HD content to VOD for channels that aren't actually carried in the lineup, which would mean you'd need to be able to get VOD to "get" those channels. This isn't unprecedented as there are a number of fringe channels that Comcast doesn't carry, yet they have VOD content for. Boomerang and Anime Network are just two examples of "channels" that are only available on VOD in my area.

    So it would be nice if the tuning resolver could eventually be updated to do at least VOD.
     
  17. Feb 8, 2008 #297 of 456
    That Don Guy

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    If your PPVs are in SD, that's one of the reasons they invented DVD recorders...

    As for VOD on Channel 1, I just thought of a flaw with my "access it online" method; you wouldn't be able to pause / rewind / fast-forward it without having to fix the same TiVo remote problem that would let you access the VOD menu directly in the first place.

    -- Don
     
  18. Feb 8, 2008 #298 of 456
    George Cifranci

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    ciper

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    Even thought the tuning resolver is meant to be used with any "one way" device I am damn happy Tivo was the company involved during testing. We can pretty much be guaranteed properly functionality once the dang thing is completed....
     
  20. Feb 8, 2008 #300 of 456
    acvthree

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    >>>We can pretty much be guaranteed properly functionality once the dang thing is completed....

    That is so cute
     

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