TiVo confirms SDV dongle for 2Q 2008

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  1. Dec 3, 2007 #241 of 456
    MickeS

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    Yeah, it's pretty sad isn't it? All this work with CableCARDs and integrated solutions... and it's now come down to an external box again in order to watch all channels. And TVs with CableCARDs are as far as I can tell just SOL.
    I guess we'll have to wait another decade and see if something integrated will work...
     
  2. Dec 3, 2007 #242 of 456
    mikeyts

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    That's true for most but not necessarily true for all. There may be a few UDCR televisions out there with USB connections (probably for loadng firmware and debug monitoring during development and just left there for the hell of it, or to support diags in repair or refurb shops). But mostly current model UDCR televisions are out of it so far as SDV services are concerned.

    If the NCTA gets its wish the FCC will accept the tuning resolver as a solution to the CEA's complaints and reject their "DCR+" idea (requiring the definition of static interfaces for SDV, IPG, IPPV and VOD that they can hard-code and not have to include an expensive processor and memory capable of running a dynamically loadable Java VM). If "DCR+" is rejected, new models released in the coming years will definitely support this, shipping with USB connections and firmware to control tuning resolvers. That is, of course, small consolation to those who were counting on using their current UDCR TVs to watch all available programming.

    (I'm not calling this thing a dongle anymore, if its gonna be the size of a small briefcase :rolleyes:).
     
  3. Dec 3, 2007 #243 of 456
    classicsat

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    Still though, the TiVos are tuning/recording the digital channel.

    Should the API of the tuning resolver be made available to TV and other STB manufacturers, and their products have the processing power, necessary hardware, and system architecture and to support said device, there is no reason to believe TVs would be left out.
     
  4. Dec 3, 2007 #244 of 456
    bicker

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    I think the lesson folks should draw from this situation is to purchase components separately; display separate from tuner, for example. The best high-end audio systems have always constructed as components, and so video should be the same.
     
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    I expect chilly days in hell first. If you're looking for some entertaining reading, google for 'mitsubishi promise module' to see what sort of ongoing support to expect for your TV once you've coughed up the cash.
     
  6. Dec 3, 2007 #246 of 456
    CharlesH

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    When Verizon Wireless announced that they were opening up their network to 3rd party phones running arbitrary applications, there were comments in HowardForums about the unseasonably chilly weather in hell. :D
     
  7. Dec 3, 2007 #247 of 456
    bizzy

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    I was shocked as well; but they are still quite evil. They don't allow me to install the AOL AIM client on my blackeberry from them; and amusingly enough, they have disabled the ability to recieve ringtones via bluetooth on my father in law's new RAZR.

    So overall my perception of order in the universe was not challenged :)
     
  8. Dec 4, 2007 #248 of 456
    demon

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    Off topic; but, get JiveTalk. It's a few bucks, but it's quite good. :up:
     
  9. NickIN

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    Anyone know if TiVo was saying anything about the dongle at CES? Any news on what cable companies will offer it? And how about a more specific target date/time frame?
     
  10. Grakthis

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    I read a ton of CES coverage and saw no mention of it.

    But it does look like we're gonna get OCAP + MultiStream CC TV's by the end of 2008.

    I'm a tiVo loyalist, but in my bedroom, for example, I have no desire for a DVR (that's why my living room TV is for) so an OCAP capable TV would really be nice for what I want. I'm pretty stoked about that announcement.
     
  11. QZ1

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    Well, I am too, although Panasonic is releasing all of its LCDs and many of its Plasmas in ~April. That leaves only 58" and 65" Plasmas for ~Sept. (That won't work for me.) I don't know what Samsung has planned, but they didin't promise any TVs in '08. I don't care about LG. ;) Sony and Sharp have yet to sign on. If Sharp signs on soon, I would expect TVs (how small, I don't know) with tru2way in late Dec./early Jan. (as they like to bring products out, regardless if it is considered out of season.) I don't think we will have a large selection of tru2way TVs until ~April '09, unfortunately.
     
  12. Feb 1, 2008 #252 of 456
    skaggs

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    MickeS

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    Great, just what I needed behind the cabinet... one more box and 3 more cables (power, RF, USB). But better than not getting all the channels, I guess.
     
  15. Feb 1, 2008 #255 of 456
    morac

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    There are separate values depending on whether or not a user is watching, recording, etc..

    Note, suggestions have their own tune request type called "speculative recording". I'm assuming this is in order to prioritize recordings so suggestions can be canceled if another live user needs to use that stream.
     
  16. Feb 1, 2008 #256 of 456
    bicker

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    That really addresses all the conflict we had earlier about this issue. By addressing it explicitly, they can, as you suggest, cancel a suggestion if someone else needs that stream for an intentional recording.
     
  17. Feb 1, 2008 #257 of 456
    mikeyts

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    They could cancel the speculative recording in the middle, if necessary. Cool bit of design :).
     
  18. Feb 1, 2008 #258 of 456
    moyekj

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    A lot of those specs were probably inherited from existing specs for cable set top boxes. After all Cable companies have their own DVRs that are always in the "on" state that have to work properly with SDV as well (releasing the channel if not explicitly recording). The "speculative" one perhaps was a new addition..
     
  19. Feb 2, 2008 #259 of 456
    CharlesH

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    Note that the specs say that the resolver provides the channel map, replacing the cablecard map. This means that

    (1) the resolver is not a simple DOCSIS transmitter; it knows how to pick up the channel map off the cable;

    (2) it deals with cable companies who want to provide a restricted channel map to cable cards, but will allow those with the resolver to get the additional channels (whether those channels currently use SDV or not).
     
  20. Feb 2, 2008 #260 of 456
    mln01

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    So how much will this thing cost?
     

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