TiVo confirms SDV dongle for 2Q 2008

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  1. acvthree

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    Ok, so is this something that can be placed on top of the HDTivo or Series 3?

    It seems like the designs for the external storage and, now, the SDV cable tuner are purposefully designed NOT to fit into anyones technology stack.

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  2. mikeyts

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    I was expecting something smaller, too. At 5.5W x 6.5L x 1.75H, the DCT-700 is tiny for a cable STB, but kind of big for a plug-in accessory. I can see where they might have used the case for a proto of tuning resolver, but hopefully their final product will be smaller and USB powered, designed to tuck away behind things. We'll see, and (just like CableCARDs) Motorola's product probably won't be compatible with SA networks anyway.

    As for external storage enclosures, the industrial designers working on those are all from the PC space. I haven't seen a single product that wasn't really designed to be tucked away on a desk top--WD's "My DVR Expander" is completely unchanged from their My Book PC expansion storage design.
     
  3. keenanSR

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    It would nice if it was something like the DirecTV DVR's use for B-band conversion.

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  4. ah30k

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    If you want it cheap and quick, you look for something that already has 99% of the capability and is cheap to start with such as the DCT700. You can then remove the A/V ports and add a USB port. Viola! Done the hardware. Now just hack the software together to add the SW USB protocol.
     
  5. mikeyts

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    I can see where they might be using that enclosure during development, but if you really want it cheap, you don't use the DCT-700's board. It's got everything you need for this application (except a USB port, but that could hardly be cheaper to add). You don't need a main processor with half the speed required to run an IPG or a quarter so much RAM of the DCT-700, not to mention its graphics and sound decoding chips and video RAMDAC. You don't need its IR receiver. Even its RF section is overdone, since you don't need to to receive the in-band part of the signal at all, just its OOB QPSK transceiver.

    I've read that the DCT-700 sells for about $80 in quantity, which bodes well for how low the price of an actual tuning resolver should be.
     
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    Pages and pages of speculation....
     
  9. cr33p

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    No doubt, I will be stickin it in the friggin wall LOL, I like the slim sleek no junk set up myself.
     
  10. BobCamp1

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    I'm confused. If the DCT-700 sells for $80, and you think the perfect tuning resolver should/could be the same price, why not just use a one-off of the DCT-700? Just don't mount the parts you don't need or put in cheaper compatible parts (yes, may not be that simple, but it wouldn't take long to figure out what could be done to reduce price). Even if just the case and power supply are the same, that would save some development time and cost. On the other end, even if nothing were removed and a few minor things added, it would be less than $100 and available relatively quickly.

    It's the designer's holy triangle: you can have it cheap and fast, cheap and good, or fast and good. You can't have all three. It sounds like "fast and good" has already been chosen. Considering the low volume, "cheap" should be last priority.
     
  11. mikeyts

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    It was the topic for the past several posts--you obviously didn't read any of the thread before making that redundant addition. Thanks anyway :rolleyes:.
    I think that the perfect tuning resolver should be no more than half that price. Any DOCSIS cable modem board could handle this task and has everything it needs for it and more (include USB-2 interfaces and redundant 100BaseT ports)--most of them retail for $40 or less in single-unit quantities, most of them are smaller than the DCT-700 and Motorola makes several models (I see an RCA one e-tailing for $25). We have no idea what the volume will be. I expect that some current model UDCR televisions will be upgradeable to use it and that future ones will ship with firmware enabling them to use it, if the FCC finds the tuning resolver to be an acceptable alternative to the CEA's proposed "DCR+" solution (the NCTA is hoping that they will).

    They could use the DCT-700's enclosure and PS if they want to; it's just lots bigger than necessary and more than half the function of the original board is irrelevant. I think that it's just probable that they used it for the prototype because the Moto cable modem group is a completely separate entity and the cable subscriber equipment group doesn't have any experience with their development environment. We'll see how it comes out in the end, as well as what SA's solution looks like.
     
  12. dswallow

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    And it's also important to remember that while there's been talk about the cost to produce the tuning resolver dongle, the only actually comment about end-user pricing has come from TiVo during the conference call where, from at least the major cable companies, they said they thought it would probably be provided free.

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/55669-tivo-f3q07-qtr-end-10-31-07-earnings-call-transcript

    (Question asked by Todd Mitchell - Kaufman Brothers; this is a portion of the answer provided by Thomas S. Rogers of TiVo)

     
  13. MickeS

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    In this forum, it's easier to just say "you smeeked." :)
     
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    While a hacked DCT700 is not the most elegant solution in the world, as far as I'm concerned the "dongle" could be the size of a ATX motherboard and draw 100W and I'd still want one :)
     
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    SCSIRAID

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    LOL!! Me Too.... :up:
     
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    mikeyts

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    From the SDV FAQ thread:
    So far, TWC is the main offender, with 15 out of 23 of the SDV deployments. Of course, we've only heard about the Motorola tuning resolver prototype, when only 2 deployed SDV systems are on Moto networks :rolleyes:.
     
  17. Dec 2, 2007 #237 of 456
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    Who says its a DOCSIS modem?

    I am in the camp that it is a modified two-way cable box, of course ground-up build (at least for the production unit.).

    Being it costs money to design and tool, using the DCT700 case molds is one of the better things they can do to save money, even if the board is half the size.

    And since they essentially cannot build the DCT700 anymore, they might not need to design a dual purpose board.
     
  18. Dec 2, 2007 #238 of 456
    sfhub

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    You can already do that with Surfboard CableModems. People have been loading there own OS on those things. Don't see a huge issue with cable systems going down because of that. There are way more Surfboard CableModems out there than expected tuning resolvers.
     
  19. Dec 2, 2007 #239 of 456
    Rob Helmerichs

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    It looks like Comcast Minneapolis is headed that way...I can't remember the details, but in the last bill they bragged about how we'll be getting tons of HD channels in 2008.
     
  20. Dec 3, 2007 #240 of 456
    sfhub

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    So if I understand correctly, the current rumor about the SDV adapter is that TiVo will be going back to old school days of controlling an STB (stripped down DCT-700) using essentially a glorified serial cable (USB) and instead of recording the video using one of its svideo inputs, will get a channel # spit back at it over the USB connection, which it will then proceed to tune?

    Well at least they aren't using an IR blaster :)
     

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