TiVo confirms SDV dongle for 2Q 2008

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by cwoody222, Nov 26, 2007.

  1. bdraw

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    I can't wait to see how this all shakes out. It's actually pretty exciting, but I can't see how TiVo can make the transition to "cable mode" (I'd like to call this place UI hell) seamless.

    As for VOD, yes if VOD programming becomes more accessible or more economical than it will replace DVRs. But considering holywood doesn't want to accept how many people use DVRs, I doubt they'll let big cable make their content more accessible.

    If you disagree, think about this for a second. Why would you need a DVR, if you could watch whatever you wanted, whenever you wanted with VOD?
     
  2. dswallow

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    That's the big presumption though. It's not what you wanted, whenever you wanted. Not even all the networks provide their shows this way, and those that provide some, don't provide all. And of those, probably not even a half dozen are available in HD at all by VOD. And they don't even have entire seasons archived, usually.

    So once they actually have all the content available this way... maybe it'll be comparable... but I just doubt that'll ever really happen.

    And then there is the technical hurdle of how to handle VOD if every household has 1 or more VOD programs playing... that'd be a significantly larger investment in head-end equipment than has to happen now. And there's still the latency involved in controlling that playback when it's coming from central head-end servers.
     
  3. mikeyts

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    The closest any of the national OTA networks has come to placing their content in VOD is TWC's "start-over" service, which just lets you start watching any program that you tune into the middle of from the beginning. The networks like it because it doesn't give you any ability to skip the ads; if they were to ever launch true free VOD channels, I'd expect that there would be non-skippable advertising involved, as with the watch-online option many of them are offering.

    The problem is that some advertising is time-sensitive ("Come to Kohl's big sale this weekend!") and VOD wouldn't be a good media for selling that.
     
  4. sfhub

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    DOCSIS cable modems actively interface also, yet there is a spec, other manufacturers build products, users buy products in the stores, and everything interops.

    They could potentially just define the hardware to be low-level QPSK modem or DOCSIS in DSG mode and load the custom firmware for the specific system using a bootstrap procedure. That way you can have a single hardware that the user purchases which works on various systems.
     
  5. sfhub

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    Clearly they are not purely pro-consumer and they are susceptible to lobbying or we would never have heard of the broadcast flag.
     
  6. sfhub

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    Assuming of course they are still being regulated by the local franchise, which more and more are not because they filed for "effective competition" due to Dish and DirecTV and were granted that status.
     
  7. sfhub

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    If your cable provider is still being regulated, I don't see how they can get away with that pricing in the long term. Their STBs must use CableCARD because of the deadline, so they are saying to you that an STB + CableCARD costs less than a CableCARD alone.
     
  8. sfhub

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    The reason they would do that is the digital simulcast channels are SDV so they can't provide that to you, so they map you back to analog. Then over they start moving those 103 analog channels over to digital only, so today you may have 103 analog channels but next month you might just have 83 analog channels, and 6 months from now, you might just have 25 analog channels. The people with access to SDV digital simulcast channels won't notice any change.
     
  9. acvthree

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    This is Verizon in Texas. You can check their prices this is right of their web site except for the information on the price increase. Again, I've not heard of any case of the FCC getting a cable provider to change prices.

    Al
     
  10. jercra

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    TWC's future "look back" is a follow up to Start Over. It will allow re-watching of content outside of the broadcast window. This is coming soon. Add to that the fact that AdVOD trials have already begun and the first releases of commercial versions are just starting to roll out and you can see the beginnings of everything on demand. It will take time, likely a lot of time, but once you consider that serivce group sizing is vastly shrinking due to SDV so VOD penetration rates can go way up at 0 cost, SDV is gathering a TON of data about consumer viewing patterns down to the individual STB and the ability to interface with an Advertising engine like Google for truly targeted advertising you can see that there will be waaaay too much money on the table for content providers to hold so tightly onto their content. This will drive the content owners to provide everything on demand. Of course, none of this will solve the latency issues in trick play so the experience won't ever be truly DVR like.
     
  11. mikeyts

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    VOD with unskippable advertisements is definitely not going to seem much like using a PVR. I've used online episode playback at the network sites upon occasion when I missed recording one of my favorite series and there were no downloadable episodes of that series available for purchase; they usually have ads that not only can't be skipped, you often have to manually start playback again, so you can't just turn your back and zone out or walk away and come back when you hear the show start again. These usually end in a still or slightly animated ad that can get the message across at a glimpse as you search out and click the control to start the episode playing again. The only "good" thing about this is that there usually is only a single ad at every break and only a single product advertised during the program.

    I'll admit that, even with those drawbacks, if every program was available that way it would greatly lessen the value of owning a DVR, though I probably still would.
     
  12. bicker

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    In which case the market SHOULD decide what pricing should be.
     
  13. cab2

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    So all I want to know is,

    How can I be on the list to beta test this dongle! :)

    Austin TWC is one of the areas where there is a LARGE list of SDV channels including anything new in HD that they add. Love my S3, but there is a large list of channels I'm missing due to SDV.
     
  14. dpratt

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    Hear hear!

    Who do I contact at Time Warner Austin or Tivo to let them know that I'd be an enthusiastic beta tester for this - I have a series 3 in my living room, and am waiting for the dongle to buy a Tivo HD for the bedroom. I'd love to test this out and I can offer untold amounts of feedback.
     
  15. pmiranda

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    The line starts behind ME :) There are dozens of S3 owners in Austin on this board alone, not counting the hundreds that don't even know about it. I imagine the S3/THD owners that are TW techs will get to put the dongle through its paces before any of us, though. I expect deployment will go much more smoothly than the early S3 adopters had with cablecards, although the expected attachment of the dongle might cause some signal strength issues if you don't have a good signal at your house.
    I'm hoping we get Speed in HD by the time the dongle arrives. Long live SDV!
     
  16. vstone

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    I don't know what can be done with the average cable modem, but I can see some hacker monitoring the USB traffic between the Tivo and the dongle, then figuring out how to plug the dongle into his laptop and flood the system with bogus channel requests. Then he'll figure out how to reprogram the dongle to do who knows what. Then he'll put this on the Internet and those hundreds of cable card equipped TV's that can't get the new channels (and are therefore moderately unhappy that the equipment has just been obsoleted) will be buying a dongle just to screw with the cable company.

    Yeah I know this is probably prohibited by that federal law about reverse engineering digital protection, but good luck with that.
     
  17. dpratt

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    Quick correction for you - "Long Live SDV, but only after I actually have a tuning resolver dongle in my hands. Until then, SDV is a monstrosity that should be abolished."
     
  18. davecramer74

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    about time for the ocap box. Its what ive been hoping for. That will get me onboard buying a tivo again. Ill be able to keep my viewing habits and have a tivo dvr.
     
  19. yunlin12

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  20. MickeS

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    "Motorola started working with CableLabs in July on a technology solution, and as of two weeks ago in an Interop with TiVo, already had a prototype device ready and performing well."

    Awesome.

    "Motorola’s tuning resolver will look an awful lot like the famous (in my book) and widely deployed DCT700."

    Ack, I was hoping for something smaller. :)
     

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