TiVo Competitor SiliconDust Launches OTT Cable Service to Work with Their OTA Tuners and DVR

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  1. Aug 22, 2018 #61 of 117
    Dan203

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    Most mobile devices also reject interlaced video. Transcoding also gives them a lot more hours on that 250GB HDD.

    Tablos transcode.
     
  2. Aug 22, 2018 #62 of 117
    NashGuy

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    Yes, I've heard that a number of devices have problems w/ interlaced video (which is why everything that streams online is progressive scan). That said, my Android phone (Nexus 5X) and tablet (Nexus 9) are a each a few years old and both do fine with 1080i in the HDHomeRun app. They are both on Android 8 Oreo, FWIW, though.

    I had a Tablo for a little while and, honestly, if it offered the option to turn off transcoding, I would have done so in order to make channel changes faster and HD PQ slightly better.

    With something like Plex, you get the best of both worlds. By default, OTA channels are recorded in the original MPEG-2 and only transcoded on-the-fly if the device playing the file back needs it to be. But I think Plex DVR may offer the option to automatically transcode files after the recording completes, to save disk space and reduce the need for future transcoding, if that's what you prefer.
     
  3. Aug 22, 2018 #63 of 117
    Dan203

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    Seems easier to just transcode during recording, but SD is a bit more of a "geek" company than TiVo, so they may offer options.
     
  4. Aug 23, 2018 #64 of 117
    OrangeCrush

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    It does. I have a couple of HDHomeRun Extends, and the Plex DVR can be set up to record the full MPEG2 streams (or take the hardware transcoded streams if you really want it to) and then cut out the commercials and transcode after the fact. You can use their 'optimize' defaults or set up custom scripts to get as fine control as you like.

    The embedded processors in these devices need to support hardware transcoding to pull it off. They're not powerful enough to transcode an HD stream (realtime) with software alone, so it's a choice between the cost of the device vs the cost of the device with transcoding hardware baked in. The HDHomerun Connects are about half the price as the Extends (but I think they've stopped making the Extends, which is probably pushing prices higher than they'd be if they were still in production).
     
  5. Aug 23, 2018 #65 of 117
    Bigg

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    Their channel lineup SUCKS. YouTube TV is perfectly targeted at what should be live (news and sports), while DirecTV NOW and PS Vue have a lot of good options, even though they get rather bloated. I'll stick to my TiVo, and if I want live sports/news, I'll get another service on my Roku.
     
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  6. Aug 23, 2018 #66 of 117
    tarheelblue32

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    The majority of people don't watch sports, so not having to pay for all the overpriced sports channels can be a positive. And if you're able to record the streams, then live TV watching isn't really the point.
     
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  7. Aug 23, 2018 #67 of 117
    mschnebly

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    I'm trying to decide between YouTube TV or DirectTV Now. I'm ditching Comcast cable and just going to their $66 60 Mbps internet and my Antenna using Channels DVR on an ATV4k. Hope the 1TB limit doesnt kill me but I can adapt.
     
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  8. Aug 23, 2018 #68 of 117
    NashGuy

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    I've been using a combination of mostly streaming (mostly HD, some 4K) plus some live/recorded OTA for a long while now and I've never once even hit half of my monthly 1TB data cap. I think I average about 375GB per month. That said, I don't do online gaming or tend to download a ton of huge files and only stream music now and then. But I do have the TV on for a few hours almost every day.
     
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  9. Aug 23, 2018 #69 of 117
    NashGuy

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    HDHomeRun should look into creating another package that's sports-free and cheaper. The only real sports channels their current Premium TV line-up includes are the various ESPN channels (ESPN, ESPN 2, ESPNews, ESPN Classic, ESPN U). Taking those out of a new 2nd package would probably mean all of the Disney-owned channels going away, which would also mean Disney Channel, Freeform and (soon) FX and Nat Geo.

    Taking out those 9 channels should reduce the cost of the package significantly. They could probably add in 3 or 4 low-cost non-sports channels (e.g. Hallmark Movies & Mysteries, TV Land, Nick Jr., Sundance) and still price the package at $25 - $27 rather than the $35 for the current package.
     
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  10. Aug 23, 2018 #70 of 117
    tarheelblue32

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    They probably don't have much control over what's in the actual lineup. According to Zatz, they are piggybacking off of Viva Live TV, which I have actually never heard of before.

    Silicon Dust Does What TiVo Could Not
     
  11. Aug 23, 2018 #71 of 117
    NashGuy

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    Yeah, Zatz got that from something that I posted earlier on this thread in response to his question. But we don't really know that SD is going through Viva. That's just conjecture.

    Even if they are, then Viva should try to negotiate a cheaper non-ESPN/Disney package. Or, if this package gets a decent number of subscribers, perhaps SD could build such a package on their own, apart from Viva. I had honestly never heard of Viva until recently and their website doesn't make them appear to be some sort of big, established industry player. So if they can somehow do it, why not SD?
     
  12. Aug 23, 2018 #72 of 117
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    I haven't looked into this topic in a while but back in the day ESPN forced carriers to include ESPN channels in their basic tier through predatory pricing and mafia tactics.
     
  13. Aug 23, 2018 #73 of 117
    NashGuy

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    Yeah, but if a carrier chooses not to include ANY channels -- either cable or locals -- from Disney (the company that owns ESPN), then there's not really anything they can do. You're just choosing not to do business with Disney. That's the case with both Fubo TV and Philo. It's also true of Sling TV's Blue base package.
     
  14. Aug 23, 2018 #74 of 117
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    I wish viewing rights for any given channel/content were separated from the delivery of that content to be viewed. If something like VivaLive were the source of Silicon Dust's underlying content, what if you already subscribed to some service also using that source; now you're left buying it twice when you might want to try out other services.
     
  15. Aug 23, 2018 #75 of 117
    Dan203

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    They would have to drop ESPN, ESPN2, The Disney Channel, Freeform and possibly A&E* to not do any business with Disney.

    * Disney owns a 50% stake in A&E. I'm not sure if it's one of the channels that is bundled with ESPN though
     
  16. Aug 23, 2018 #76 of 117
    NashGuy

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    Yep. Along with ESPNews, ESPN Classic and ESPN U. And since Disney is in the process of acquiring most of the cable nets currently owned by Fox, also FX and Nat Geo.

    A+E Networks (which includes A&E, History and Lifetime) acts as its own independent entity in these situations. They don't bundle in with those channels 100% owned by Disney. So they shouldn't be affected.
     
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  17. Aug 24, 2018 #77 of 117
    Scooter Scott

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    Since I've been slowly building out my HDHomeRun solution I find this to be very intriguing and almost to the point to better my decision on dropping TiVo.
     
  18. Aug 25, 2018 #78 of 117
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    The extends are actually more versatile as they can pass through or transcode. When they transcode rokus can direct play the files in Plex. This saves a lot of computing resources that you can better use for mobile transcoding sessions or commercial skip . It also allows you to run the server on much lower end hardware like a NAS or old laptop.
     
  19. Aug 25, 2018 #79 of 117
    schatham

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    How is this a Tivo competitor? Tivo connects to my TV and plays and records shows, cable or OTA. As far as I can tell this does not connect to my TV without going through a computer. It also requires a separate hard drive from the unit. It is more for watching TV on a computer. What am I missing?

    I do think it looks fun for a gadget person who doesn't mind spending a lot of money and time to get this as a useful thing, but hardly mainstream.
     
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  20. Aug 25, 2018 #80 of 117
    mdavej

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    No computer required. Just a streamer like Roku, Android, Apple, etc.
     

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