TiVo Coming Back To UK!!

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by Glen, Jul 27, 2008.

  1. Tim L

    Tim L New Member

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    Lifetime subs are for the lifetime of the box, ie if you get a new box, you need a new sub. They're not transferable.

    It looks likely that the existing S1 service will continue as it is - all Tivo have to do is keep providing guide data.
     
  2. JonMace

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    depends on how its done currently all equipment is owned by Virgin, so you will not be buying a box, also you will not pay Tivo a sub 9either life time or monthly) the cost will be built into your sub with Virgin

    I very much doubt that the new software will be hackable, Virgin have enough problems with hackers already and are heavily investing to stop the hacking.

    But who knows maybe they will go the European / US way open the CAM and let people buy their own equipment
     
  3. Tim L

    Tim L New Member

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    I doubt this too - I just hope that the software they roll out can be accessed via the web. IIRC US S3 boxes can, can't they? That's the only thing I'd really miss from my hacked Tivo.
     
  4. Sneals2000

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    Unlikely - letting users 'roll their own' is increasingly unpopular as it has implications for VOD, Interactive, EPG etc. and has huge implications when it comes to customer support.

    It also has increasing issues in rights terms - though possibly the CI+ CAM upgrade (that uses an HDCP-like encryption from the CAM to the receiver to ensure no unencrypted content is available outside the receiver) may help with this.

    Also - increasingly - encryption providers are much happier with sealed unit solutions than separate modules (that are easier to reverse engineer etc.)
     
  5. Major dude

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    I recently had a new cable modem installed and it was all arranged without a hitch. Also when the system crashed a few months ago in my area they quickly put a message on the advice line and sorted it within an hour.

    So I reckon they have improved and I would rate their broadband service as amongst the best.
     
  6. arturus

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    I've just bought an eyeTV (freesat) satellite tuner to work with my desktop Mac - works brilliantly and the version 3 software is 'almost' as good as my Tivo. BBC HD is very good too. It's really just a bit different to the way Tivo works. I'm now thinking of getting a second eyeTV to work with the Mac Mini sitting under my TV, which means I may retire my Tivo (and Sky freesat box) very soon.
     
  7. Major dude

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    Sorry but I cannot agree with you, there is no way in which EyeSAT even with v3 software is 'almost' as good as a TiVo. I have used both this and an Humax Freesat HD and have used SkyHD in the past and nothing compares with TiVo.

    For example have you made a Eye TV recording, converted it for viewing on Apple TV and its lost sync or had it started dropping out and stuttering on you, so you have to convert it again - how annoying is that? There is no 30 minute buffer to stitch on if you miss record starts, the search function is less easy to use as are the smartguides, but mainly I use a TV to watch TV not my Apple imac or macbook computer and there always be an interface problem created for me by this fact even with streaming content over a wireless network.
     
  8. Sneals2000

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    Yep - eyeTV 3 is fine for watching TV on a laptop in a hotel room or similar - but I couldn't see it as a main TV platform.

    However Windows Media Center in Windows 7 is pretty good. It's not Tivo - but the picture quality is massively better than a Series 1 - particularly in HD!
     
  9. iankb

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    Personally, I find a multiple-tuner Windows 7 MCE setup with networked extenders to be significantly better than one or more single-tuner Series 1 TiVo with video extenders. However, I can't compare it with a Series 3 or 4 TiVo, since I haven't seen one.

    I can't think what MCE doesn't have when compared to a TiVo, except the TiVo's obvious simplicity of operation, which does seem to ease acceptance by other members of the family.

    The real problem with the TiVo has always been expansion. I can use at least four mixed satellite and terrestrial tuners with Media Centre and add terabytes of diskspace (including a RAID mirror or network drive), simply by plugging the hardware in.

    All the tuners and conflict resolution will work off the same EPG, and anybody with their own extender can independently watch their own programme choice from the shared collection, and at the original broadcast resolution (including HD and DD5.1 sound).

    A scheduled programme can be automatically recorded from any programme source (i.e. non-encrypted satellite or terrestrial), from SD or HD channel, from base channel or +1 channel, simply according to conflict resolution and recording preferences.

    I can listen to radio, music and/or watch slide shows of my photographs within the same environment.

    With a free plug-in, I can watch all of the main broadcasters' web-players (BBC iPlayer, etc) within the same environment.

    I can see snapshots for each recording, and can flip between date sort or title sort, including viewing series within folders.

    Some of the plug-ins that have been developed can be quite useful. I developed a couple; one for moving/archiving recordings between drives, and another to display live train times at my local railway station beside a playback or live channel window. Unfortunately, Microsoft have started encrypting the guide database in Windows 7, which does limit some development opportunities, and the API has little or no documentation.

    I do find the MCE guide data to have a lot of errors (i.e. series episodes treated as standalone recordings), but then so does the TiVo. Having over two terabytes of recording space does help when it records the same programme multiple times.

    Recording quality is a definite improvement, not only because of integrated digital tuners, but also because the PC upscales the SD programmes to the resolution of the TV when using an HDMI connection.

    Maybe a Series 3 TiVo can do a lot of this and, almost certainly, with a much simpler interface for younger users. However, I can't see a TiVo ever having the same flexibility, unless they bring out a software version that can run on PC hardware.

    The main thing that I would like to see change with Media Center is to remove the operating system that sits below Media Center, since I much prefer the lightweight and cheaper concept of a Linux base. However, I can't really see Microsoft ever doing that. It would also be nice if somebody brought out an MCE extender running on a cheap Linux-based Acer Aspire Revo.

    While I'm sure that people would find a TiVo solution easier to operate, and be more family-friendly, I strongly disagree with the comments that a TiVo is way ahead of any other PVR solution.
     
  10. jeremy Parsons

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    Given the price of tivo its the price that has resulted in me getting another tivo despite the limitations of single tuner.

    I got a lifetime tivo with cachecard for around £150 , asa result with a new 750Gb green drive in it I have a fully capable low power device.

    I have duplictae tivos witht he same season passes in the living room and one in the bedroom.

    I have windows MCE (XP version) and yes it is nice , however it require a fully blown PC , (I have the sony viao version with HDMI , yes its good however to get it to work reliably I have to reboot it weekly and also it does from time to time throw a wobbly, while it is quite it does use lots of power and kicks out lots of heat compared to my tivo espicially with the new low power drive.

    also the PC is dedicated to just runnig MCE nothing else
     
  11. jeremy Parsons

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    I must admit the windows 7 version that support usb based DVB card out of the box looks interesting does this make a less flakey MCE edition? does anyone run a dedicated windows 7 MCE system and is it bulletproof like tivo
     
  12. TCM2007

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    I'm running MCE on a cheap Atom/ION based "nettop" from Acer - about £200 or so. Very low power usage, cheap enough to treat it like a dedicated device - it's gaffer taped to the back of the telly so not even a box to be seen! The Win7 version is significantly better that MCE 2005.
     
  13. phpct

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    Since losing my TiVo last year I've tried Microsoft Media Center and Humax Freeview PVR alternatives. All are poo compared to TiVo.

    I can't wait to get the peanut back in my hand!

    Patrick.
     
  14. -MC-

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    Great news !


    From the Tivo press release :



    said Tom Rogers, president and CEO of TiVo Inc. "We are very excited about this new distribution relationship with the UK's most advanced pay television provider and are particularly proud to have been selected as Virgin Media's core software partner for its next generation DVR-enabled set top boxes and its next generation non-DVR set top boxes"

    Wonder what that means ?


    Good new though :)
     
  15. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    I assume it means any STB that VM use from now on.
     
  16. -MC-

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    Probably Virgin covering all bases, but it seem to imply Tivo will also have their software on set-top boxes that are not DVRs - ie not video recorders :confused:
     
  17. mrtickle

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    I take it to mean that even the non-DVR set-top-boxes will gain the beautiful TiVo interface, or at least a variant of it. "Now playing" can offer links to streamed video on demand titles over the cable network.

    Perhaps virgin will be offering the best iPlayer interface possible - the TiVo UI :). Let's how there is plenty of TiVo branding visible on whatever they do - eg TiVo guy animations on startup etc.
     
  18. -MC-

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  19. pgogborn

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    From the TiVo Inc. F3Q10 (Qtr End 10/31/2009) Earnings Call Transcript
    This transcript is attributed to Seeking Alpha who claim fair use is limited to 400 words - for more remarks from the earnings call on the Virgin relationship >
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/175...nd-10-31-2009-earnings-call-transcript?page=1
     

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