TIVO changes its Service Plan business model -- again...

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  1. Nov 14, 2010 #61 of 156
    pdhenry

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    By my read it's also valid on the Premiere if you can find a place to sell it to you for full price.

    "2.1.2 When purchasing a TiVo Premiere box from a third party retailer at $99.99 (includes an instant $200 savings off MSRP) for the TiVo Premiere box or $299.99 (includes an instant $200 savings off MSRP) for the TiVo Premiere XL box, you may only subscribe to the TiVo Service on a monthly basis for $19.99 a month with a one (1) year commitment (renews monthly after one year)."
     
  2. Nov 15, 2010 #62 of 156
    smbaker

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    Actually that would be for any price other than $99.99. So $99.98, $99.97, $99.96, ...

    From my read of the agreement, these boxes would fall into a legal quagmire and not be eligible for any service. They clearly fall into section 2.1 (Tivo Premiere purchased on or after Nov 14th) but do not fall into subsection 2.1.1 (directly from Tivo) or subsection 2.1.2 ($99.99). One could probably make the argument that they fall under section 2.2 (all other Tivos).

    I hope Tivo got a really good deal on whatever lawyer they had write up the payment plan terms.
     
  3. Nov 15, 2010 #63 of 156
    darksurtur

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    I agree. They are really inconsistent in the new policy between "boxes purchased" and "boxes activated." Don't lawyers get paid to iron these kinds of things out? I especially can't imagine what they were thinking springing this in such an imprecise form when they had to know it would be controversial.
     
  4. Nov 15, 2010 #64 of 156
    aadam101

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    This is no surprise. This is a poorly run company.
     
  5. Nov 15, 2010 #65 of 156
    socrplyr

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    I agree that it is strictly worded, but my guess is that Tivo is only running the special with a few number of retailers. Further, I presume those retailers sell for exactly $99.99 and report the TSN of the Tivos sold under it so they can be marked in Tivo's system accordingly.

    On as side note, I wonder whether or not the Best Buy deal is a part of this (as it requires the purchase of a TV as well).
     
  6. Nov 15, 2010 #66 of 156
    SullyND

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    When I looked at Amazon yesterday it was an add to cart to show price item, and was $97.
     
  7. Nov 15, 2010 #67 of 156
    pdhenry

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    I hadn't gone that far, but I believe you're correct. :)

    Good luck... :)

    That's how I'm seeing it - "none of the above...".
     
  8. Nov 15, 2010 #68 of 156
    mellenfan

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    You're giving TiVo's system way too much credit to think it can keep track of purchase prices by TSN (not to mention getting feeds of this data from multiple retail/online outlets).
     
  9. Nov 15, 2010 #69 of 156
    shwru980r

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    I would think the TSN would be flagged before the unit was sent to a retailer and the retailer would have to sell the unit for $99.99.
     
  10. Nov 15, 2010 #70 of 156
    dimitri2000

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    This reeks of the same thing ReplayTv did about 5 yrs ago where they unbundled the Replay Tv price from the service a few weeks before the Christmas buying season. We all know the debacle that turned into. I dont think its wise to drastically change the service model during an important buying season due to all the confusion it causes.
     
  11. Nov 15, 2010 #71 of 156
    egadget1

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    If someone buys a premiere off ebay or craigslist, is tivo going to know where and when it was originaly purchased from? Can you still get lifetime on it? Seems its going to be hard to know where it came from.
     
  12. Nov 15, 2010 #72 of 156
    turbobuick86

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    non discounted Premieres would also be "other TiVo boxes"


    The only boxes they are quantifying are the $99 boxes that started selling Sunday.
     
  13. Nov 15, 2010 #73 of 156
    TerpBE

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    Yes, but apparently Tivo is only paying $19.99 a month for their lawyer.
     
  14. Nov 15, 2010 #74 of 156
    SMWinnie

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    I just got a cancellation notice from Electronics Expo. I ordered from them on Friday the 12th for a little over $150.

    I did check with Electronics Expo on Saturday the 13th to see whether they would match the 6th Avenue price. I will be truly amused if they decided to accommodate me by canceling the original order and running a new one - after the November 14th cutoff - for $99.
     
  15. Nov 15, 2010 #75 of 156
    hahnwo

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    Having trouble getting a direct answer anywhere, maybe because it is unknown.

    I own 3 Tivo's already, 1 Lifetime and 2 on MSD for $9.95 a month.

    I like many others bought a new Tivo at BB for $99 having no idea the discount was based on their new pricing structure.

    Do we know yet if the $99 Tivo can ONLY be activated with $19.99/month service or can it fall under the $9.95 MSD.

    Thanks
     
  16. Nov 15, 2010 #76 of 156
    ZeoTiVo

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    Yes - that is known - any activation on a New TiVo bought from retail will be 19.99 a month.
    If you do not want that plan then return the TiVo DVR to the retail place as soon as you can
     
  17. Nov 15, 2010 #77 of 156
    innocentfreak

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    They probably cancelled due to the price match though they should have contacted you to see if you wanted it at the $150 price instead.
     
  18. Nov 15, 2010 #78 of 156
    aindik

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    So, are we sure that after the 2 years at $20/month for the free box, we can continue service at the unsubsidized rate (currently $12.95/month or $9.95 a month if you have another box)?

    If you assume the life of a TiVo Premiere is 36 months, and you already have a TiVo with Lifetime, buying the box with lifetime (with the current discount offer) is still a better deal.

    With lifetime, you pay $468 today and never pay again.

    With the one year deal, you pay $119.94 in month 1, $19.95 in months 2-12 and $9.95 in months 13-36. Grand total: $578.19.

    With the two year deal, you pay $19.95 in months 1-24 and $9.95 in months 25-36. Grand total: $598.20.

    Yeah, it's over time, but present value math isn't going to overcome difference that large.
     
  19. Nov 15, 2010 #79 of 156
    rbendorf

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    I bought my Premiere from 6th Ave on 13 Nov, and they have stated that Tivo will honor the old monthly plan of 9.95 or 99.00 yearly on all units purchased before 14 Nov.
     
  20. Nov 15, 2010 #80 of 156
    innocentfreak

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    TiVoPony responds with more info

    It looks like according to TiVoPony, after the commitment is over the price remains at $19.99 but no commitment. I am guessing this may be the same with the 2 year option also.
     

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