Tivo - Cable or Satellite

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  1. Aug 7, 2007 #1 of 12
    butlertl

    butlertl New Member

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    I have two Tivo's at this time...connected to DirecTV....and before this I had them connect to cable.....my question is....what HD Tivo will work with DirecTV or cable?
     
  2. Aug 7, 2007 #2 of 12
    nhaigh

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    For the TiVo S3 and TiVo HD:
    DirecTV - No
    Cable - Yes
     
  3. Aug 7, 2007 #3 of 12
    dylanemcgregor

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    If you are asking for a HD Tivo that will work with both DirecTV and cable...that machine doesn't exist. The new HD Tivos use a CableCard to unscramble the cable signal. Cable is required by the FCC to support these devices, but unfortunately (IMHO) satellite operators are exempt from this requirement. This means that no one can manufacturer a HD device that will work with both cable and satellite.
     
  4. Aug 7, 2007 #4 of 12
    wolflord11

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    Both the Tivo Series 3 and TivoHD (Built around the same platform as the Series 3) will work with Cable.

    There is NO Tivo HD model that will work with Directv. The older HR10's are a Directv unit running Tivo Software, but their life expectancy is coming to a close as Directv moves from Mpeg2 to Mpeg4.
     
  5. Aug 7, 2007 #5 of 12
    gschoen

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    Too bad the satellite "double standard" exists and they don't have to meet the CableCard requirements. It would be great to have a device to use with any cable or FioS provider, or DirecTv/Dish. Lots of flexibility. Only thing I worry about with the TivoHD is getting stuck with cable for years.
     
  6. Aug 7, 2007 #6 of 12
    wolflord11

    wolflord11 Lord of Darkness

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    What Double Standard?

    Directv (Sat Provider) tried to get on the Cablecard Program and was denied. So blame the FCC.
     
  7. Aug 7, 2007 #7 of 12
    magnus

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    Could you please post a link to this? I am very curious to see that. Thanks.

     
  8. Aug 7, 2007 #8 of 12
    wolflord11

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    It was in the DBS Forums somewhere. Let me see if I can find it. (The links where on one of my other Systems currently stripped down).
     
  9. Aug 7, 2007 #9 of 12
    wolflord11

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    Heres a little I found:

    "Satellite companies unfairly exempted: Cable companies argue that, although section 629 of the Telecom act applies to all multichannel video program distributors, Direct broadcast satellite (DBS) services have been exempted from requirements for a separable security access device. This is claimed to provide an unfair advantage to DBS companies such as Directv and Dish Network."

    The exemption is from the FCC themselves.

    Also:

    The FCC lays out exactly why DBS was exempted in their original report and order ... specificially on pages 26-28. Search for document 98-116 (in field 2. DA/FCC Number).

    Here is the link, but unfortunatley it is no longer valid:

    FCC Link

    Here also is a discussion on this very site:

    TCF Forum
     
  10. GoHokies!

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    The link provided only gives the reasons that the FCC exempted the satellite companies.

    It doesn't shed any light on whether the sat companies tried to get onboard with CC and were denied by cable labs (Wolford's claim) or whether the sat companies applied for a waiver to the cable card mandate and were given it (dylanemcgregor's claim, and what I understood as "conventional wisdom").

    Since it is the FCC that is justifying the sat companies exemption, I would tend to think that lends weight to the latter theory, myself.
     
  11. magnus

    magnus Tivo User

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    Ok, as pointed out by GoHokies... that's not the same thing as your previous statement. It sounds more like the FCC gave them the exemption rather than their (D* or E*) willingness to be part of CC on their own.

    I do believe that it is time for the FCC to lift said exemption. The satellite companies should no longer be exempt and customers should be given the right to choose. I want to be able to take my S3 to the company that provides the best content and service.



     
  12. classicsat

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    The Series 3 hardware is stuck with cable and OTA though. It could do IPTV, I suppose though.

    Were satellite to come with some cablecard like separable access standard, the Series 3 would still be limited in not having a satellite tuner. A new platform with satellite tuners (instead of or as well) will have to be deployed for some satellite "cablecard" to work.
     

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