TiVo Bolt +

Discussion in 'TiVo Bolt DVR/Streamer' started by Kabookie, Aug 18, 2016.

  1. BigJimOutlaw

    BigJimOutlaw Well-Known Member

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    A lot of the Bolt's leaks were from inside to some extent. The trademark office, FCC, Cablelabs, the youtube videos, pictures on their own website, etc. We were able to infer a lot from that data. This time around, Tivo seems to be locked down. Literally the CEDIA mishap is all there is.

    Speaking of trademarks, Tivo filed a trademark for "New Way to TV" a couple months ago but the descriptions all seemed like the same Tivo jibberish.

    Ira's tease makes me think it relates more to the new service at CES, not the Bolt+ itself.
     
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  2. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

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    If the Bolt + is really just a cable only 6 tuner version of the Bolt, they wouldn't need to do much testing. Last year they had a brand new platform to test and it was pretty clear they intended on having 2 models at the start but shelved the Bolt OTA for some reason.
     
  3. bdraw

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    I highly doubt the Bolt+ will support HDR10 or DV out of the gate. If it did, it would be the very first non-TV to stream Vudu, Netflix or Amazon in HDR.
     
  4. NashGuy

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    The Nvidia Shield TV running Android TV got an upgrade a couple months ago so that its Netflix app supports HDR.

    https://www.engadget.com/2016/06/29/nvidia-shield-netflix-hdr-update/

    I do believe it's the only non-TV to offer anything in HDR so far though. But based on FCC filings, it looks like Roku may refreshing their entire line this fall. I'd bet their new high-end box will support HDR.

    http://cordcuttersnews.com/roku-may-be-releasing-5-new-roku-devices-this-fall/

    And the upcoming Mi Box from Xiaomi, running Android TV, will definitely support HDR.

    http://www.mi.com/en/mibox/

    There's speculation that Amazon will update their Fire TV box this fall too. Wouldn't surprise me if it added HDR support, as that increasingly appears to be a defining feature of flagship streamers.

    http://www.aftvnews.com/fire-tv-and-voice-remote-stock-instability-hint-at-new-devices/

    In all these cases where HDR is supported, I'm betting it will only be HDR10, not Dolby Vision.
     
  5. TrackZ

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    If the new Bolt is just more tuners and a bigger hard drive, that's an utter fail IMO.

    The box needs HDR. If they can deliver that with Amazon, VUDU, and Netflix working it'll be a major shot fired against other hardware. If they deliver Dolby Vision in addition to HDR10 it'll be a home run.

    Relying on tv apps isn't really great if you have a multichannel surround system, especially an advanced one with Atmos. ARC is majorly unreliable and many tvs won't output Atmos over it. Having those in apps in a box running through a receiver/preamp is incredibly better, more reliable, and stable in most installs.

    Plus having it all in one box is majorly convenient and family friendly.
     
  6. Kabookie

    Kabookie New Member

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    Totally agree with TrackZ on this one. I guess we will find out in about two weeks!
     
  7. Africanlivedit

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    I have the Bolt and would be very annoyed if only the new box came with those features.

    The pre-existing Bolt should be able to output Atmos and HDR... and hell, still waiting for Amazon UHD.
     
  8. NashGuy

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    I believe its already been confirmed that the existing Vudu app on the Bolt can output Atmos (although not yet UHD). And I believe Margaret at TiVo confirmed months ago (via Twitter, maybe) that HDR capabilities would be added to the existing Bolt via firmware update at some point.

    As for UHD in the Amazon Video app, if there's no word about it alongside the introduction of the Bolt+ in Sept., then I wouldn't hold your breath. I don't think Amazon's that concerned with providing high-quality apps to any hardware other than their own Fire TV line.
     
  9. jasbur

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    I have the Xbox One S and stream Netflix in HDR. Haven't tried Amazon yet.
     
  10. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    There is no HDR from Amazon yet with the XBOne S. And the Netlfix app is still borked.
     
  11. spaldingclan

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    I stream HDR through the Sony Android apps all the time....gotta say they work great
     
  12. Kabookie

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    So here is my issue:

    I have the above LG panel along with amps and processor but not installed. I have been a long time user of VUDU which I like very much and have Charter as my cable supplier. In researching 4K content with ATMOS I can only find VUDU as a place to stream it. In discussing this with VUDU they say that they only support certain hardware and in fact my panel is listed. No set box or TiVO box just panels. So For you that have a 4K, ATMOS and TiVO box. Can you stream VUDU movies from the current BOLT model and does it all work? When I called TiVO they were very unhelpful if they support ATMOS, HDR etc. What they did say is that Dolby vision will need a chip and is not up gradable with the current unit.

    If the above does not work until TiVO has it figured out possibly with the new Bolt + then I was thinking of using the ARC HDMI port on the Panel and Processor and then use the VUDU app in the panel. I would connect my network cable to the panel instead of the TiVO box if the above does not work.

    I'm kind of new at what is out there and possible. At this point I'm not thinking of doing the DVD upgrade just use what I have. I kind of tired of buying VHS, DVD, Bluray etc. just really want to stream movie content.
     
  13. spaldingclan

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    the current Bolt does Atmos just fine
     
  14. NashGuy

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    But the Vudu app for Bolt doesn't do UHD/4K, correct?

    If you want to stream in UHD with Atmos sound from Vudu, you'll need to use the Vudu app on the Roku 4, the Nvidia Shield Android TV, or built into certain smart TVs from Vizio and LG. (I expect additional streaming boxes, probably including the Mi Box Android TV, will be introduced this fall that can also stream UHD + Atmos from Vudu.)

    If you want to stream in UHD with HDR and Atmos sound from Vudu, that can only be done currently with the Vudu app built into a subset of the smart TVs mentioned above. Because Vudu uses Dolby Vision for HDR encoding, there are currently no streaming devices/boxes that can stream Vudu content in HDR, as none of the streaming boxes on the market contain the special chip needed to decode Dolby Vision. I believe only the following TVs both support Dolby Vision and offer the Vudu app that can do the trifecta of UHD + HDR + Atmos:

    VIZIO Reference Series HDTVs
    VIZIO 2016 Smartcast P-Series 4K TVs
    VIZIO 2016 Smartcast M-Series 4K TVs
    LG 2016 OLED 4K TVs - G6, E6, C6 & B6 Models
    LG 2016 Super UHD 4K TVs
     
  15. aaronwt

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    Hopefully Vudu decides to start using HDR10 along with Dolby Vision. I know they have certainly lost money from me by only having their UHD content in DV.
     
  16. DNA007

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    Whatever that Bolt+ speculation might be, I'm sure it won't have any of the features working from the start. It will take time.
    I mean crap, it's been good 9 months since we heard from Tivo about Amazon UHD, HDR10 and other features for the current Bolt 4K. This is sad that regular
    Why do they even call that box 4K is beyond me. That was a waste of money. A smart customer will not fall for this type of promise again.
     
  17. thyname

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    Then probably you bought the wrong product. Since there are no linear 4K broadcasts, I don't care about the 4K features of my Bolt. I get all those features directly from my tv (65" Sony with Android Tv built in). Besides, any OTT streaming device can be purchase for very cheap (Roku, Fire, etc). All I care about is the DVR features of my Bolt, UI, guide, SkipMode , etc. etc. things that we already love our TiVo for 15 years...
     
  18. NashGuy

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    It's a good thing TiVo markets the Bolt as a DVR and not a "Unified Entertainment System".
     
  19. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I have to agree that it's pretty lame that the 4K TiVo still only has 2 apps that can output 4K a year later. They said Amazon was "coming soon" when it was released. And Vudu has 4K apps for other platforms. At the very least those two should be 4K.
     
  20. aaronwt

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    Vudu does NOT have 4K on the vast majority of 4K devices. And I would doubt that the low numbers of TiVos would make putting it on the Bolt a priority.

    Since Vudu has stricter protections and has more work to perform to enable it on each device. Or at least that is what they say.
     

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