TiVo App and iOS 9 public beta

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  1. Daveb08

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    And what IF the developer's testers, by virtue of being testers for iOS upgrades, are using iOS Public Betas, what possible harm would that pose to TiVo. What % of a small % of an installed user base could pose a problem for TiVo. On the other hand, I'm hard pressed to think that that arguably small sample of iOS users are using jail-broken iDevices with the intent to screw TiVo and its legal commitments to the networks and the cable companies. Wouldn't it benefit TiVo to know that users of their products are NOT having any problems with future iOS updates. OR, does it really make more sense for TiVo to release an update to an iOS Gold release only to find that that update contains 'bugs' that must be squashed after another 30+ days when 'all' of their installed Apple customer base can't use a new feature. Wonder how many times that's happened in the past.
     
  2. ellinj

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    Typically what happens is that Tivo knows about bugs with the new O/S. After all they have access to the O/S ahead of time. Test Flight allows them to have a controlled pool of testers. They are allowed to submit fixes when the software goes GM. Once its GM there is a typically a week lag for Apple to approve the software and day and date release the updates. This is why you see tons of apps getting updates on the day software is released.

    This is apple's show not Tivos If you want the software ahead of release join their beta program.

    https://fieldtrials.tivo.com/signup/

    You can sign up but you aren't guaranteed of being selected.
     
  3. Daveb08

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    I doubt that's entirely accurate, since they seem to have bug fixes after Apple issues iOS GM's. Leads me to believe their pool isn't big enough.

    Secondly, your right, they do get access to Developer iOS Betas, SO, there is nothing stopping them from 'releasing' updates to their TestFlight users, assuming they have any, before the GM goes out. Sort of supports the whole Beta thingy don't ya think. Kinda like being proactive rather than reactive.
     
  4. ellinj

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    Like I said, feel free to volunteer to join their official beta program.
     
  5. PaulS

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    This would be my guess as well.
     
  6. sluciani

    sluciani TiVowner Since '99

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    Saw the "unauthorized modification" message this morning, running the public Beta of iOS 9.3 on a Mini 2. Sent a screenshot and e-mail to Margret.
     
  7. dianebrat

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

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    ...and?
    There's no reason to suspect that Tivo will do anything, beta iOS releases in general are not supported, some occasionally are but I wouldn't expect it.
     
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    Hey....if it makes you happy, it can't be that bad.....Sheryl Crow
     
  9. joewom

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    I get not supported. If you run beta os your apps may or may not work. In this case TiVo automatically says unauthorized modification. It doesn't say it may or may not work and use at your own risk. It won't work period.
     
  10. joewom

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    One more thing. It's not unathorized if the owner of the os gave you the beta. In this case Apple provided the public with a beta of iOS which makes it an authorized change. I didn't mod it myself or like in android many people write code to change android.
     
  11. dianebrat

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

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    It's still not a public release of the software, Tivo and many other developers treat beta releases as unsupported and chose to not run on them, that's Tivo's choice, just as its your choice to install a beta OS that may not be supported by all your current applications.
     
  12. joewom

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    I have not seen an app that I use refuse to allow it to run on beta. I had an app that crashed when I was testing iOS 9 and submitted it and it was fixed in the next release. TiVo app works fine on beta except streaming. If the whole app stopped working ok or said not supported ok but not unauthorized modifications detected with the Os! They are authorized by apple themselves!

    Just to add, Amazon, Netflix, and Hulu work fine on beta so don't someone tell me it's a copyright thing!!
     
  13. dianebrat

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    It's been mentioned many times that Tivo is extra skittish most likely because of the fact that they have to be CableLabs certified to be allowed CableCARD access approval. you can choose to listen to what's been said repeatedly or you can just keep insisting that because you want it to work and Tivo doesn't, that Tivo is wrong.

    hint.. Tivo can do whatever they want to.
     
  14. joewom

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    Point taken. But why does it work with rooted and custom Roms for android that are truly unauthorized mods to an OS. And not a OS straight from the makers of said OS?

    And I never said I wanted it to work and TiVo is wrong. I said it's not an unauthorized mod to the OS since the OS maker made the mod. Well not even a mod it's a release of a future update that will in fact be released in coming weeks or months. Designed to fix problems. Apple never released public betas in the past till recently maybe TiVo should take a hint and let people report problems before it's released to the masses!!
     
  15. mishagray

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    If TiVo isn't going to start letting me run iOS Betas, they will keep losing me as a regular user.

    I've bought every model of TiVo except the bolt. And I'm not sure I'm going to. I've been using my TiVo less and less, as native streaming services running in iOS and Xbox and Apple TV take up more of time.

    The TiVo iPad app should be a killer app for me. But my guess is the bolt won't fix my biggest issue.

    But I'm a geek. And an influencer. People ask me what to buy. TiVo should care if I'm using the app. Cause my opinion carries some weight and I know what I tell people influences them.

    How did I get this way? By being curious. By running and buying the latest stuff. And by building products professionally. And talking to others.

    I will almost ALWAYS being running the latest iOS beta. As Apple has heated up their Dev schedule ... I expect my devices will be running a beta version more than 60% of the year, given how many minor releases Apple has released this past year alone.

    Locking me out the app is stupid. If the beta makes the TiVo app crash ... I'm ok with that. I signed up for those issues. As a matter of fact, my crashes get sent to TiVo and then can fix issues before regular users see them after the beta is over.


    It's not hard to support apple betas and also block jailbroken devices. It's kind of really easy actually. I could write that logic myself. If TiVo engineers think they can't do it - TiVo needs better engineers. It's kind of brain dead easy.

    It's lazy that TiVo hasn't done this yet. Cause instead they block some of the most important and valuable customers they have. And some of their most vocal advocates.

    Just fix it already. When TiVo starts caring about me as a customer, I might care about their product more.
     
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  16. dianebrat

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    Tivo isn't stopping you from running beta operating systems, they have simply said that their software is not going to run on them, it's their prerogative and as mentioned above with them being skittish about permissions it's to be expected.
    As a techie geek I have no issues with them not wanting to play in the beta arena and deal with potential support calls related to it.
     
  17. joewom

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    Still makes no sense. It runs on jailbroken iOS and rooted android. All of which are modifications of os. A beta is not a modification at all!
     
  18. dianebrat

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    It hasn't always run on a jailbroken iOS, there was a huge thread on that previously, and it hasn't always even streamed on Android.

    The bottom line is just like you can run what you want, Tivo can support what they want.
     
  19. joewom

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    I thought you claim to have an open mind. TiVo displays a message saying it detected an unauthorized modification for a beta you have no more control over then a non beta. Yet they now allow jailbroken iOS that you can run unauthorized apps. Or rooted when you can do whatever you want to the os. Let's call it what it is TiVo is lazy and it's easy to base modified os off a number and not a true modified os. TiVo can do what they want for now. But if it continue they will lose people. They truly don't have many to lose. Under a million subs? That's nothing and the cable cos are keeping them alive. It certainly isn't people like you and me that paid for lifetime years ago. They get no revenue stream from over half the million if not more. And allot of lifetime boxes have been resold from old subs which in turn TiVo hasn't had revenue from some of their subs ever. If a true alternative came around I would give TiVo less then 3 years if they didn't change.
     
  20. ellinj

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    Diane, you aren't going to win this argument. No need to feed a futile discussion.
     

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