TiVo and BBC Freesat

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by Pessable, Jan 14, 2008.

  1. Pete77

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    But to do so they need an EPG in each country they provide service in, although of course Microsoft seems to achieve this with Windows MCE on the whole.

    So perhaps it will be possible?.............
     
  2. iankb

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    As I understand it, the problem with TiVo coming back to the UK has primarily been the reluctance of the manufacturers to produce and market a UK model rather than TiVo supporting the EPG. A PC-based version would bypass most of the problems, and the EPG can be produced quite cheaply.
     
  3. 6022tivo

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    I can imagine the meetings between hardware manufacturers and tivo all looking great until tivo say they are to charge the consumer £10 a month for something they get free with Sky and now free with other Freeview recorders (inc series links). At this point I imagine the hardware manufactures just walk away having a giggle.
     
  4. Pete77

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    Sorry but its currently a service Sky still charge at least £16 per month for.

    I can have a Freesat Sky+ box with no recording for nothing per month but to use the Sky+ recording fetaure I must pay Sky at least £16 per month, even if I don't want to watch any of the channels on the one Mix I get for that.

    You are correct in saying that Freeview Playback boxes and BBC Fressat PVRs will be very interesting as and when they fully support Series Link on all channels from the major broadcasters but thus far that is not the case and Freeview Playback only works experimentally for Series Link with the BBC channels as I understand it.
     
  5. Raisltin Majere

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    I thought those with freesat could pay £10 pm for sky+?
     
  6. TCM2007

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    He said "you get it free with Sky". ie, it is included at no additional cost with Sky. If you don't pay that £16+ you haven't got Sky!
     
  7. Pete77

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    The situation is more complicated than that as if you have www.freesatfromsky.co.uk or Sky Pay Once Watch Forever and want to ever become a Sky subscriber (including Sky+ recording) they will only let you do so if you sign a 12 month minimum subscription contract with Sky. This is even if you had your Freesat box and card for 4 or 5 years.

    So you would be hit with whatever the upgrade fee is for a Sky+ box + install fee of £30 (new LNB and cabling) and a 1 year contract which would have to include at least one Sky Mix at £16 x 12 = £192 (otherwise they won't give you the Sky+ box etc). Only after doing 12 months on at least one Mix could then in theory desubscribe from the channel packages and say you only want to keep the Sky+ recording at £10 per month.

    In essence the problem is at the moment there is no Freesat From Sky or Sky Pay Once Watch Forever product that bundles a Sky+ box Quad LNB and double cable to the box.

    This may change if and when Freeview Playback and/or BBC Freesat PVRs are seen to be making serious inroads in to potential Sky+ users........
     
  8. 6022tivo

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    it is a free service with Sky if you subscribe to any package (Currently £16 PCM) or £10 PCM if you don't.

    You also have to remember that the basic receivers sky provide are free, and sky+ receivers can be had for free with offers they run.

    If tivo provided a HDD recorder for free with a subscription, I would consider it, but the current business model tivo run would not work in the UK, especially with the way freeview boxes are going.

    I find it had to understand why anyone can justify the £10 PCM tivo charge at the moment, what with Sky options, Freeview HDD boxes, and the OzTivo methods..

    It is a charge that can not be jusitifed now, or with new hardware in the UK.
     
  9. Pete77

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    But my point is that unlike Freeview Playback a Sky subscription that entitles you to use Sky+ is not free and costs at least £192 per annum for a very limited pay tv channel lineup (although with plenty of FTA channels) on that bottom package.
     
  10. Pete77

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    No argument with you there.

    Fortunately many of us are not paying it although its obviously a shame for those who are. The value of a Tivo Lifetime Sub purchased on Day 1 in monthly sub terms is now around £880 and counting............:eek:
     
  11. 6022tivo

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    I use it because I have a lifetime, well 3 lifetimes..

    I would never now consider seeing my bank statement with £10 PCM coming out of it for the service provided, or lack of. People must be mad.
     
  12. Pete77

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    Sits back and waits for Carl and Raisltin to hove in to view to defend their position.
     
  13. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    Well yeah. Not disagreeing :) I have considered paying the money now, but is there still 20 months left in the service and/or my unit? I sincerely hope there is but it would of course be a waste if not.
     
  14. blindlemon

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    Of course there is!

    Have you noticed how quickly the last 20 months went by? ;)

    If you buy the lifetime sub now, and use a credit card then in the (IMHO very unlikely) event that TiVo discontinues the service within 20 months you have a pretty good chance of getting the difference back from a) TiVo or b) your credit card company.

    Seriously, would TiVo even still be selling lifetime subs if they were thinking of discontinuing the service within the next 20 months?

    Come on Carl - join the smug club :p:D
     
  15. Pete77

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    Although it is now generally cheaper to buy one with a Lifetime Sub on Ebay but it is very important to get the seller to confirm in writing by Ebay PM that they are the original owner and are willing to contact Tivo to transfer the sub in to your name if you are the winning bidder as the sub is still in their name. If they won't do this then don't bid.

    You then have a spare Tivo as you can move the hard drives and Cachecard from your current Tivo across to this one and keep the other one as an unsubbed spare.

    I suspect the decision hasn't been properly reviewed given a company that didn't even renew the www.tivo.co.uk domain. However I do feel that unless there is a change of ownership at Tivo that given the sentiment involved with the UK launch and the UK Tivo service amongst some with sway on the Tivo board that they would probably want to provide service for at least 10 years after the last years Tivos were sold commercially in any quantity - that is 2002. So I would say all being well (no takeover of Tivo Inc by an unfriendly rival in this period or no insolvency of Tivo Inc) we probably have at least four and a bit years left.

    By then the HD recording alternatives on offer may be sufficiently good that you no longer want to use your Tivo anyway........

    Also BT's 21 Century Network and widespread BT competition from WiMax will begin to be in place at that stage, giving more possibilities for broadband based HD IPTV.
     
  16. TCM2007

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    I would think that Nero would be keen to be able to sell their PC version of TiVo in the UK, which the service being available will allow.
     
  17. Pete77

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    I see that Nuts Tv, that was only previously on Freeview for four hours every evening from 7pm to 11pm, has now appeared FTA on Sky/Astra on Channel 207 (no Sky viewing card required to receive it).

    I am sure this move is linked with the impending launch of BBC Freesat. How much longer before UK History, TMF, The Hits, Virgin 1, E4 and More4 are also FTA on Sky instead of in one of their basic pay channel mixes?
     
  18. TCM2007

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    You have a great deal of faith in Freesat, or "BBC Freesat" as you for some reason call it.

    I don't share it; I can see strong reasons to buy a Freeview HDD recorder or a Sky box on a special offer, but a satellite box that can't be upgraded to pay TV seems the worst of all worlds and of quite limited appeal.
     
  19. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    Well as far as I know, Channel 4's encryption contract with NDS expires this year and they are not expected to re-new it, so all their channels will be FTA. Not sure about the VMTV channels -Virgin1, Bravo, Living, etc. I don't expect them to go FTA anytime soon.
     
  20. Pete77

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    You seem unaware of the marketing success of the DTT product now marketed as Freeview compared to the dismal failure of the same DTT technology when only receivable on boxes with dedicated smartcard slots and full pay tv capability by OnDigital.

    The former proposition failed to ever take off both because there was an insufficient range of pay tv channels on offer and due to unreliable signal quality (compared to Sky) but also because the majority of the price sensitive viewing public associated it with paying more than the BBC licence fee to watch DTT channels.

    At present satellite tv is associated with pay tv and thus those who don't want to pay more than the licence fee do not even enquire further about getting satellite tv because they associate it with large subscriptions to Sky. But if FTA Freesat is marketed by the BBC and others and it is made clear that you can watch FTA on satellite, including HD broadcasts which are unlikely to be available either at all or in the same variety or as soon on DTT, for no extra money and there are a lot more FTA channels than on Freeview then it is likely to make the FTA satellite market takeoff. The FTA satellite market has not taken off thus far due to Ofcom's outrageous incompetence historically in allowing Sky to control the proprietary FTV encryption of output from the main terrestrial broadcasters thus associating satellite tv with pay tv.

    I'm sure you personally don't want Freesat to succeed in order to ensure that most HD content and channels are kept as the exclusive property of those of you who are well off enough to afford a £35 per month+ subscription to Sky. No doubt the Murdoch's next commission cheque as one of their undercover sales agents will be in the post to you tomorrow morning.;):p:D
     

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