TiVo Alternatives?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Saturn, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. Sep 24, 2019 #121 of 1017
    tenthplanet

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    Tell that to people who were watching Counterpart on Starz, when it wasn't renewed Season 1 and 2 were pulled from Starz VOD without warning. Better to record have a lot of room on a hard drive and then if VOD no longer has the show/episode you are still covered. Not to pick on them but I've see shows that were pulled without warning on Hulu periodically.
     
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  2. Sep 25, 2019 #122 of 1017
    spiderpumpkin

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    Today I hooked up a 40-50 year old attic antenna to my tv by connecting the original two-lead wire, that was sticking out of the ceiling, to a 300 Ohm to 75 Ohm matching transformer balun. My TV found all the local channels and every single one has a strong signal. I've never used that antenna but I knew it was up there when I moved in years ago. The satisfaction of hooking that up to my TV and having it just work is overwhelming. I didn't even have to look at or adjust the antenna, which is good because I was dreading the search for an antenna to use if it didn't work.

    Now, I need to go to Micro Center tomorrow and buy an HDHomeRun Quatro so I can add these OTA channels to my Channels DVR server. I'm going to use the Channels DVR as a supplemental recording storage device since my 3TB TiVo BOLT Vox seems to fill up quickly. I'll still watch my Tivo for most recordings but I'll no longer have to delete whole TV show seasons to make room even when I haven't watched them yet.

    I really wouldn't mind having an OTA Tivo, but an HDHomeRun OTA with high capacity Channels DVR that mixes well with recordable TV Everywhere channels sounds much better.

    I haven't decided on a Channels app capable streaming device yet, but I'll probably buy a cheap Fire TV Stick from Amazon until I decide. Thinking Nvidia Shield or Apple TV. I'll wait on the final decision until the new hardware is announced, and may even wait for Roku to work with Channels.
     
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  3. Sep 25, 2019 #123 of 1017
    Sparky1234

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    Tivo is the only alternative. TiVo is the company you hate to love!
     
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  4. Sep 25, 2019 #124 of 1017
    wombat94

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    It may be a long wait for Roku to work with Channels. There was an experimental client for Roku, but they appear to have abandoned it. Channels whole paradigm is for the in-home streaming clients to require no transcoding. They were trying to get that to work on Roku, but since the majority of streams that come from the HDHomerun are MPEG2, the Roku devices weren't powerful enough and/or the OS didn't work well enough for the experience to be acceptable.

    I think the developers will probably continue to monitor the Roku ecosystem to see if anything changes, but they aren't promising anything about a Roku client for sure.
     
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  5. Sep 25, 2019 #125 of 1017
    wmcbrine

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    Interesting. I have a direct subscription to Starz (on account of $@%!#$ Comcast not authorizing the app, at all), so I did a search for that title, and it seems to be playable. (I imagine everything is, for direct subscribers.)
     
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  6. Sep 25, 2019 #126 of 1017
    chiguy50

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    Hmmm, what market are you in? Did your Comcast subscription package previously include Starz? I am confused by what you mean when you say that Comcast would not authorize the app.

    I know that in at least some markets Comcast is dropping Starz from the channels in its legacy Digital Premier lineup and also that Comcast is rumored to be planning to drop Starz altogether at the end of this year (although that may be a strategic ploy). But I have Starz included as an extra feature in my Preferred Double Play subscription bundle and continue to receive both the linear channels as well as the streaming programming via the Xfinity Stream app.
     
  7. Sep 25, 2019 #127 of 1017
    gary.buhrmaster

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    There are some models of the Roku where MPEG2 is supported, but not all, and for the various OTAs that use 1080i I don't believe any of the Roku models have MCDI hardware, so high quality de-interlacing is not available (which makes for a poor user experience).
     
  8. Sep 25, 2019 #128 of 1017
    Scooter Scott

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    I've been trying some new alternatives for a couple years now as I saw the TiVo support going downhill. I've been watching Channels Plus more than Tablo as it is definitely the more robust and better system. After Channels Plus implemented commercial skip I knew it was time for me to fire up my subscription again to try it out. So far I have it running on my Mac Mini with my ATTNOW subscription and so far so good. New seasons have just started so I will shortly see how well the commercial skip works and if I get the WAF then the TiVo Roamio OTA will be officially retired and sold off.

    As of right now, you won't see this. I have the roku app on my roku but its very basic and doesn't have a lot of functionality. I don't think you can even access it to install anymore. As a previous poster said, they weren't excited about the Roku ecosystem and do not like that it doesn't mesh with how they want their Channels Plus experience to be.

    Not to mention just starting a MPEG2 video can take upwards of 10 seconds.
     
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  9. Sep 25, 2019 #129 of 1017
    k2ue

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    The quality of Spectrum via Channels TVE is noticeably better than the same channels on TiVo with CableCard. Channels DVR will be my switch if TiVo does the ads, and maybe anyway for better quality.
     
  10. Sep 25, 2019 #130 of 1017
    wmcbrine

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    Did and still does, for now (I'm paying for it twice).

    The Starz app (on Apple TV, although I don't think that matters), not the Xfinity app (which doesn't exist for Apple TV). See here for a similar issue: The Spite of Comcast: HBO Go

    Yeah, that's a whole other problem.
     
  11. Sep 25, 2019 #131 of 1017
    krkaufman

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    Noting that users have now been able to get HBOGO activated on their Comcast-subscribed TiVos, using the instructions posted later in that thread.
     
  12. Sep 25, 2019 #132 of 1017
    chiguy50

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    Well, that's crazy!:eek: I'm guessing that you mean that you have a stand-alone sub to Starz and that Starz is also supposed to be in the channel lineup that you subscribe to from Comcast? (I would hope that you are not paying Comcast an extra $12 for a separate premium sub while also subscribing to that self-same sub on its own; that would indeed be nuts!:rolleyes:)

    So, if I follow your meaning, you are pointing out that you can not log in to the Starz app on ATV via your Comcast sub. Right.

    Not that it's necessarily any consolation to you, but you can access both HBO GO and Showtime Anytime on Roku and Amazon Fire TV devices via a Comcast sub. And you can also access both linear Starz channels (in real time) as well as Starz VOD via the Xfinity Stream app (on iOS, Android and Roku devices) as well as the web portal.
     
  13. Sep 26, 2019 #133 of 1017
    Saturn

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    I can tell you I have no love for TiVo anymore. We're long past the honeymoon period, and long past me talking about their virtues incessantly to family and friends. At this point we're coasting in the relationship due to momentum more than anything. I could write pages about our ups and downs, highlights and disappointments, but I don't think anyone really cares. I do, however, have a strong aversion to ads, especially the super-generic kind that piggy back with television content. If TiVo is going to actively display those rather than passively (or actively) allow me to skip them, then we're done - the ability to schedule and dump (already-digital) OTA recordings to a spinning platter and play them back on any device with a screen is now commodity functionality and even arguably unnecessary given the streaming services now available.

    At this point, the ball is in TiVo's court. If it is an on-device or online setting to not show pre-roll ads, I'll probably stick with it. If it is a phone call...maybe. If I have to spend a day pulling shows off, and repaving 4 TiVos with TE3, setting up wishlists and recordings again, and give up autoskip...then forget it. That time is better spent figuring out Tablo or Recast or Plex+HDHomeRun or [insert solution here] or seriously considering just decommissioning the antenna.

    Over the years I've come to accept that TiVo will not be the media hub I wished it were - a $30 Roku blows a $150 TiVo mini out of the water for speed, reliability, and app availability. All I ask is that my TiVos do what my S1 could do - record shows reliably and play them back ad-free.
     
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  14. Sep 26, 2019 #134 of 1017
    swyman18

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    Correct... it says if I want to watch that particular title, I need to “upgrade” which I assume means become a direct subscriber.
     
  15. Sep 26, 2019 #135 of 1017
    Sparky1234

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    Try a Bolt+?
     
  16. Sep 26, 2019 #136 of 1017
    Sparky1234

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    The future of streaming is that you will pay for everything.
     
  17. Sep 26, 2019 #137 of 1017
    slowbiscuit

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    ...and be forced to watch ads on the services that require them.

    What we have now with Tivo and streaming is as good as it'll ever get. Once it's all-IP it will be worse.
     
  18. Sep 26, 2019 #138 of 1017
    mdavej

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    So Bolt+ won't have ads and will do everything a Roku can do? Cool!
     
  19. Sep 26, 2019 #139 of 1017
    ncted

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    I will pay...if I don't also have to watch ads.
     
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  20. Sep 26, 2019 #140 of 1017
    Mikeguy

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    And it'll airfry your fries as well.
     

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