TiVo Alternatives?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Saturn, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. mdavej

    mdavej Well-Known Member

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    @convergent and @ncted, in case you're not aware, you can get a JP1 cable on ebay for about $8 and program your OFA Streamer remote using Remote Master software, adding every possible code for any device. If there are still Apple codes that have the old behavior, you can add them. I think for Apple, there are only 128 possible commands in that address space since Apple protocol uses the same frame as NEC1. So a brute force search would uncover every possible command that Apple will respond to.
     
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  2. convergent

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    I just wish you could reprogram the for pre-labeled buttons. The instruction say you can, but I could not get it to work and called their support line and even though they said it should work, he was unable to provide any different instructions to get mine to work. You can record macros to those buttons, but I wanted to learn additional codes that Channels programs for my Sony remote. A macro does me no good.
     
  3. convergent

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    Thanks for the tip... didn't know this was possible. I'm seeing a cord for $20, guessing that is the same one. You don't happen to know if you can reprogram the labeled Netflix, etc. buttons do you? I'm assuming you could given what you described. I need to actually send the commands to the Sony TV rather than the Apple TV. I'm trying to mimic what the Sony Remote is doing which then somehow gets the behaviour in Channels that I'm looking for via CEC.

    UPDATE - found this thread that describes what can be programmed... I'm only a page into it so haven't figured out if it can do what I'm wanting to do, but wanted to post it here for reference - JP1 Remotes :: View topic - One For All URC 7935 Streamer Remote
     
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  4. WVZR1

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    @mdavej mentioned to me a few months ago the $20 eBay might be a very good device and the 1 piece header on it was likely ideal. I didn't buy at the time but as happy as I am with the OFA/URC-7935 I'm inclined to do the buy. I had no issues doing some re-programing of the 4 buttons that are STREAMER dedicated without the cable but I did notice yesterday that maybe the latest tvOS has my OFA confused as has been mentioned. Maybe it's a 'time to buy'. Right now I have the 4 discussed doing ATV, TiVo, XG1V4 STB and a Roku Ultra that are connected to a Yamaha AVR. I used 'learning' from the Yamaha remote.

    If Channels (TVE) did 5.1 I'd be maybe ready. I've done 'surround' since I believe '86 with the 1st being a SHURE AVC20. I got that very early in the release from a NOVA sound production engineer.
     
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  5. convergent

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    Wow, so you were able to reprogram the 4 labeled buttons. Curious if you did that by recording macros (looks like you are using it to change inputs) or did you learn something from another remote. I was trying to teach the four buttons new things that couldn't be done with the other programmed buttons. I wanted to learn the color function keys from my Sony TV remote.
     
  6. wizwor

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    Right now, I only have Pluto installed. It is integrated into the grid and stays in the grid when you exit a show. I cannot speak to recording as Pluto does not have a DVR.

    I bought mine so I could watch television on my Echo Shows. Totally worth it just for that. I also use it with a couple TVs not near coax or ethernet. Just works.

    I do not like the Roku company. I got rid of my Rokus after a series of really bad updates. I did not buy the TCL televisions for the integrated Roku. I bought them for the PSIP EPG and Trick Play feature. I also like that it can be configured to power up to the last used input. If you want to use one as a dumb television with an EPG and trick play, you never need to visit the Roku interface. I do use the integrated Roku to run apps. Not even a glitch in two years and I just got an update that added AirPlay without breaking anything else. Worth a look IMHO.

    I was referring to ATV. I have a couple. Completely unimpressed. Really hate the remote and tiles interface.
     
  7. mdavej

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    With a JP1 cable, you can put anything on any button. I have 3 of these Streamer remotes, and have reprogrammed ALL of the buttons on all of them. But the mappings for groups of buttons get tricky and behave according to how the remote is set up. This mapping is reflected on the "Activities" tab in Remote Master.

    Here are some cheap JP1 cables:
    JP1 Remotes :: View topic - One For All URC 7935 Streamer Remote

    The Grok Shop put together some nice videos about Remote Master. The first couple of videos apply to all JP1 remotes, including the Streamer. The later videos about Extenders do not apply.
    JP1 Remotes :: View topic - One For All URC 7935 Streamer Remote
    I often recommend the remote in the videos to Tivo users since it has the peanut shape they're fond of. Unlike the Tivo remote, it's far more powerful, having the ability to control 12 devices, 5 functions per button (short press, long press, double press, shifted and double shifted), fast macros, nested macros, unlimited macro steps, key group mapping, variables (toadtog) and conditional branching and of course keymoves and learning like most JP1 remotes. This is far more than a Harmony 665 can do, but Harmony costs 4x as much.

    Here's our full writeup on Remote Master:
    JP1 - Just How Easy Is It? - JP1 Remotes
    Not everything applies to the very simple Streamer remote, but Devices, Macros, Activities and Learned Signals do. Unfortunately, this remote can't do keymoves (assigning functions from other devices to specific keys using codes), but it can do macros on ANY button, not just the 4 "macro" buttons. A macro can act the same as a key move as long as it's not the kind of function that repeats when held (like volume).

    And here's how the 4 programmable buttons work on the Streamer remote:
    JP1 Remotes :: View topic - One For All URC 7935 Streamer Remote
     
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  8. ncted

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    Gee, the grid is my favorite part of AppleTV and Roku. So much easier than wading through all the suggestions, ads, etc. on FireTV. Android TV isn't bad, but the long horizontal list of Favorites requires more button presses if what you want is at the end of the list.
     
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    The OneforAll Streamer remote works really well for Roku devices that accept IR inputs too. It fixes several remote-related issues we've had with Roku related to Roku not correctly controlling TV power/volume.
     
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    Sometimes, the heart wants what the heart wants. Some think the grid guide is primitive. I've been surfing a grid guide for half a century. It works best for me.
     
  11. spiderpumpkin

    spiderpumpkin Say no to Hydra!

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    I've been using Channels DVR for about 16 months now and it keeps getting better. Ever since installing the Channels Server I've wanted to add Pluto TV as a source and now that's possible.

    Pluto TV with Channels just works like any other source with integrated guide, pause live tv, live tv buffer, passes and recordings. One downside is the guide data is only about 12 hours since that's all Pluto provides ahead of time.


    All you need to do is

    1. Install Docker. Empowering App Development for Developers | Docker

    2. Run a Docker container command. Docker Hub

    3. Add Pluto TV as a m3u local url source on Channels server. (HLS Stream Format). http://127.0.0.1:8080/playlist.m3u
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    4. Add xml local url as the guide data provider with 3 hour refresh. http://127.0.0.1:8080/epg.xml
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    5. Customize channel lineup if needed. One thing I don't like about Pluto TV is the 200 channels I don't want to see in the guide. Channels makes hiding those unwanted channels very easy.
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    BETA: Custom Channels via M3U Playlists

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  12. ke3ju

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    Too much trouble, when it's as easy as adding Spectrum or some other cable provider, then I'll get on board. I went to Docker site to see what that was about it it looked like you have to pay for it, and also no mention of what platforms it runs on.
     
  13. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    Adding Pluto sure takes time, but some folks find that all play and no work. Anyway, sounds like you know that adding regular cable providers to Channels DVR is far far easier. But if you have Spectrum then you have my sympathies, lol.

    Spectrum is best supported by their TVE feature, though some channels don't come in that way. They also support HDHR CableCARD boxes, but as I understand it some Spectrum regions encrypt all the channels, and in others I think you still need a tuning adapter. I get a headache just thinking about it.
     
  14. spiderpumpkin

    spiderpumpkin Say no to Hydra!

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    Took like 4 minutes to download and install Docker and it was free. Took another minute to add the container.
     
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  15. slowbiscuit

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    We can dedicate an entire subforum to pirating, but I don't think the admins would approve.
     
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  16. wizwor

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    Sometimes it's best just to move on to another discussion.
     
  17. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    Turns out "Caroline" was posting variations of the same message to promote the same two websites over and over again. Reported and deleted. It would be best if we delete our posts responding to "him" too. (The profile said "Male".)
     
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