TiVo Alternatives?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Saturn, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. Sep 22, 2019 #61 of 1017
    Pokemon_Dad

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    You're probably right that Tablo is easier. But I just want to point out that all these services have basic levels that don't require a subscription. I set up an HD HomeRun OTA box for someone, and they use a different free phone app to see what's on. Channels has a free non-Plus tier too. But if you want integrated detailed guide data, Tablo charges for it just like the others. Click the TV Guide Data Service tab here for pricing: https://us-store.tablotv.com/co...
     
  2. Sep 22, 2019 #62 of 1017
    Lurker1

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    Thanks for the link. I noticed this: "Your Tablo subscription is tied to YOU, not a specific device. You can change or upgrade to a new Tablo DVR and keep your existing subscription." This is very compelling. One lifetime subscription and I am good forever, even through future technology changes like ATSC 3.0 (as long as Tablo stays in business?). I have paid for TiVo lifetime three times already, and each new software update removes features I loved and replaces them with bugs and crap I don't want.
     
  3. Sep 22, 2019 #63 of 1017
    Pokemon_Dad

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    A Channels Plus subscription is not tied to one piece of hardware either. TiVo Lifetime subs can be transferred to new units or new owners too, or at least I hope they still can be. But I think the more compelling argument here is that Tablo will be easier. At a certain point you want to just enjoy watching TV, and not be a Maker all the time. Can't help myself though... still looking at Channels and HomeRun.
     
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  4. Sep 22, 2019 #64 of 1017
    tenthplanet

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    Remember most Tivo alternatives don't do cable.
     
  5. Sep 22, 2019 #65 of 1017
    krkaufman

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    The All-In service plan goes with the box, so can be transferred with the box to a new owner.

    All-In service is NOT typically transferable to another box, outside special promos or warranty claims.
     
  6. Sep 22, 2019 #66 of 1017
    Pokemon_Dad

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    Got it. Lifetime but not All-In.
     
  7. Sep 22, 2019 #67 of 1017
    spiderpumpkin

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    I installed the Channels dvr server on my extra Mac Mini, signed up for the free 30 day Plus trial, and scanned the TV Everywhere Xfinity channels. I got 128 channels found including many that aren't even on my Tivo or X1 box.

    Some new ones that stood out are CourtTV, CNN International, ConTV, Nasa, Cheddar News, Cheddar Esports, Dove Channel, RevN, 4 Adult Swim Channels, a bunch of misc news networks, W Weather, etc.

    A good share of the main cable channels are all there and many of them also have a duplicate pacific channel feed with different shows and or start times. Also, most of the Xfinity IP only channels are included.

    I don't have an Apple TV, Fire TV or other way to watch the shows on my tv but I do have the iOS app to try it out. So far, channels quickly tune, faster than Tivo, and setting up recordings and passes works perfectly. I can also view the guide, playback, record and watch using the dvr server app on my Mac mini screen.

    Next, I need to try adding a couple trials of streaming services like Youtube TV, etc to see if the Channels DVR can record those.

    Also, may buy a cheap HDHomeRun and antenna to see how that all works.

    This is kind of fun.

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  8. Sep 22, 2019 #68 of 1017
    Pokemon_Dad

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    Looking at these alternatives is indeed causing many of us to think about going further, and finally cutting the cord! Like maybe just local OTA plus live TV streaming for the few cable channels we want to keep (options include Channels TV Everywhere, or a major service like Hulu + Live TV, YouTube TV, fuboTV, etc.). Having said that, the easiest transition would be to go with a HomeRun Prime box as that supports a CableCARD. There are many on eBay, and new model is promised this year.
     
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  9. Sep 22, 2019 #69 of 1017
    mdavej

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    Problem with the Prime is that the only software DVR that can record copy protected channels with it is the long defunct Windows Media Center. Not Channels, not Silicon Dust's own DVR software, not any other software besides WMC.
     
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    Pokemon_Dad

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    I guess while we're waiting to see if they finally release that with the new Prime box, the solution is TV Everywhere. Channels and Silicon Dust both support that now.

    Thanks! A solution for streaming services similar to what we're discussing above.
     
  12. Sep 23, 2019 #72 of 1017
    swyman18

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    The Channels DVR setup looks intriguing. For anyone who has tried it, how is the picture and sound quality of the recorded streaming channels when viewing on a TV and not just a mobile device?

    Since these appear to be just “scraping” the web feed, I immediately think poor quality when viewing on a larger screen.
     
  13. Sep 23, 2019 #73 of 1017
    spiderpumpkin

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    I've watched a few things on my 27" 5k iMac by accessing the server page player and videos look great full screen.

    I've also set the Channels DVR folder inside the same folder that my PyTivo uses to serve videos back to my Tivo. So far the Channels DVR files that I've viewed back on my Tivo look great.

    Here's the details for a show from the server. I'm just letting the default settings do their work on the server but there are some encoding settings that can be changed.

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  14. Sep 23, 2019 #74 of 1017
    HerronScott

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    Neither Lifetime or All-in service is transferrable to another TiVo unit outside of special promotions or warranty claims. The first time TiVo had a promo for this was with the S3 OLED where is was $199 to transfer (which we did for 2 S1's to 2 S3 OLEDs as TiVo was not selling Lifetime at that time). In the past few years, they've done special promos for older TiVo's where you buy a new TiVo from them and can transfer the Lifetime from your old TiVo for $99 which we took advantage to move my son from an HD to a Bolt.

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  15. Sep 23, 2019 #75 of 1017
    HerronScott

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    Its supports 4k UHD + HDR on the Bolt but not Atmos. I thought I read that the new Edge supports Atmos so possibly the Vudu client for it will get updated.

    Vudu UHD - Compatible Devices List - Vudu Forums

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  16. Sep 23, 2019 #76 of 1017
    mdavej

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    The discussion shifted from OTA and streaming to cable card. We're talking about recording QAM cable channels like Tivo does.

    I really doubt it. We've been asking Silicon Dust for that for years. Their CEO has said in interviews that their company would be ruined if they got sued because somebody managed to break their encryption. So it's probably never going to happen. WMC is still the only solution for recording QAM cable (besides Tivo and cable company DVRs) that's not marked copy-freely.
     
  17. Sep 23, 2019 #77 of 1017
    Aero 1

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    its not scraping the web feed, its authenticating and delivering the actual, highest (depending on your connection) feed from the provider.
     
  18. Sep 23, 2019 #78 of 1017
    krkaufman

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    They’re the same thing.
     
  19. Sep 23, 2019 #79 of 1017
    reneg

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    You can see which TV Everywhere channels are available with OTT Streaming services here: thestreamable.com/tv-everywhere-apps
     
  20. Sep 23, 2019 #80 of 1017
    Pokemon_Dad

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    They seem to have made more offers to transfer Lifetime from old boxes purchased when it was called Lifetime. Anyway, back on point, this whole conversation is making me that much more interested in leaving TiVo for OTA and streaming.
     

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