TiVo Alternatives?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Saturn, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. Dec 8, 2019 #661 of 1017
    NashGuy

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    Yeah, if you don't want to stick with TiVo, you should look into the "roll your own" DVR solutions like Channels or Plex or MythTV. In each of those cases, you'd probably use an HDHomeRun tuner. They don't currently sell a CableCARD model tuner but you could pick up a used HDHomeRun Prime 3. If you went with Channels, you could use its feature that locally records live streams from individual channels' websites (unlocked with your cable TV account credentials), meaning that you might not even need a tuner, although you could still use an HDHomeRun OTA tuner with an antenna to watch and record your live locals (as I don't believe any of them make themselves available via their websites the way that cable channels do).
     
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  2. Dec 8, 2019 #662 of 1017
    Pokemon_Dad

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    I keep forgetting to mention this myself, but on some cable systems the Prime 3 can't handle some channels because they're DRMed. The Prime 6 is supposed to be compatible with that DRM, but maybe that's one additional reason why it's been delayed.

    OTA looks best anyway, but Channels DVR has a beta feature to pull in NBC, ABC, and PBS via TV Everywhere streams. CBS doesn't allow that officially, though it seems to sometimes work for some users too.
     
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    tenthplanet

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    TE4 when it became available I set off TE3 to the land of lost tech. Piracy is a choice, if people didn't use pirated material, there would be no pirates. And the average person doesn't pirate, they are busy with their lives, raising familes, holding down multiple jobs, running a side hustle. To them tech is an appliance and they look as us as if we're crazy. DRM is here to stay, most people just don't care. The world has real problems...
     
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  4. Dec 8, 2019 #664 of 1017
    NashGuy

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    Yeah, I started to get into that in my post but then didn't. If you're on Comcast, the only channels with DRM (and therefore which the Prime 3 can't handle) are premiums like HBO and Showtime. If you're on other MVPDs, some of your basic cable nets may be off-limits.

    Cool, I didn't know that.
     
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  5. Dec 9, 2019 #665 of 1017
    ncted

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    I believe both Tablo and Recast files can be copied to a PC, although they are both OTA only.
     
  6. Dec 9, 2019 #666 of 1017
    NashGuy

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    Stumbled across this article yesterday. It's at least tangentially related to the recent discussion here about extracting files (recordings) from various DVR systems so that you can do what you want with them elsewhere. May be of interest to dgoto.

    The best over-the-air DVR power tools for cord-cutters
     
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  7. Dec 9, 2019 #667 of 1017
    Bigg

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    If you want to talk about "real problems", then nothing on this forum matters, so just log off. Back to the regularly scheduled programming.

    The fact of the matter is that most piracy is due to media not being easily available, or available in certain countries or locations at all. Although the media companies still have various staged releases, or have things that aren't available, the data shows that when things are easily available, like on Netflix, piracy goes down. When they are not, piracy goes up. While there will always be a small number of people who either pirate everything or pirate just for fun, and who wouldn't pay for anything anyways, the vast majority of pirating is created by the media companies themselves being restrictive in how they make content available.

    In the early years of piracy, it seems a lot of them had their heads so far up their derrieres that they didn't understand how this works, but at this point they have no excuse, and we have to assume that any decision, like siloing content into their own streaming services, is a business decision, and they know that they are actively driving piracy, but have decided that any losses that may or may not occur due to that piracy are acceptable in furtherance of their business goals of driving customers to their streaming services or buying media or whatever the case may be.

    If all media companies cared about was reducing piracy, they'd put their entire catalog on Netflix and Amazon Prime and let it grind out views, and piracy would collapse. They don't, so either they are morons who have their heads up their derrieres, or they are smart people who have crunched the numbers have figured out that the increases in piracy that they are going to directly cause by pulling content (like The Office and Disney movies) from Netflix, Amazon Prime, and other current services are worth it in order to further their goals of building their own siloed streaming services.
     
  8. Dec 9, 2019 #668 of 1017
    jebbbz

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    I have both a Tablo and a Recast and while there are user-written programs to copy files from the Tablo I have yet to find a way to do that with my Recast.
     
  9. Dec 9, 2019 #669 of 1017
    tenthplanet

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    Remember the music industry streaming is not benefiting most artists, he pays them very little. This scares people making video content, they don't want that to happen to them. Streaming is a four bladed sword. Piracy is for losers dwelling in basements. Anytime people think they are sticking it to the man, it's the artists that get caught in crossfire. Don't think the future of video programming couldn't get worse, if the expensive programs that streaming services don't catch on...Then the future will be recycled crap and reality programming. We may all be returning to reading yet.
     
  10. Dec 9, 2019 #670 of 1017
    Amnesia

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    Around 15M people have signed up for Disney+ at around $50/year. That's $750M/year...I don't think they're worried too much about a few thousand people pirating The Mandalorian...
     
  11. Dec 10, 2019 #671 of 1017
    tenthplanet

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    It's churn they will worry about, will they stay after The Mandalorian. This is something called "The Netflix problem", or what can you come up with to make people stick around ??
     
  12. Dec 10, 2019 #672 of 1017
    Bigg

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    That's way over-simplifying it. Right now, there is a massive glut of content, and the market can't support all of this content. There is going to have to be a rationalization of content, especially as cable TV is dying. We might not have even hit the peak yet, but at some point, the rationalization is going to come. The market simply can't support everything that is being produced right now.
     
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    ncted

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  15. Dec 10, 2019 #675 of 1017
    tenthplanet

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    The OTT service apocalypse is coming, too many free services and advertisers are being selective. And that's the free stuff paid will do the same. The death of cable is exaggerated and the pain of OTT is only beginning. Enjoy the golden age of streaming it won't last.
     
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    Sparky1234

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    Wow, I have the exact same crystal ball! ;)
     
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    tenthplanet

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    How do you keep yours clean ? Mine always has fingerprints on it because everyone has to touch it.. "Ooohh a real crystal ball". :confused:
     
  18. Dec 11, 2019 #678 of 1017
    Rey

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    I understand that but you said "everybody knows they'll strangle the bit-rate so hard it won't look much better than good SD" so just clearing that up. I hope when they switch everything over to IPTV that this will change. Down-rezzing 1080i channels to 720p really sucks. My options are comcast, at&t and of course satellite. Did satellite for 20 years and that has its own shortcomings. Wish we had Fios but that'll never happen.
     
  19. Dec 11, 2019 #679 of 1017
    randian

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    I'm pretty sure I said that, not Bigg, and I stand by it. If their 4k looks good now it's only a teaser. They want to invest $0 in physical plant, which makes more than a channel or two of 4k impossible unless they, as I said, "strangle the bit-rate", and maybe downrez to 1440p while they're at it. Depending on how little DNR they add while they're at it, it might look better than their current rather SD-like HD, though I'm not yet convinced they actually care if it does, since marketing is what matters here.
     
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  20. Dec 11, 2019 #680 of 1017
    Rey

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    Yes It was you, sorry about that. I guess we'll see what happens but all I can do at this point is hope it doesn't go down like that.
     
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