TiVo Alternatives?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Saturn, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. Dec 6, 2019 #641 of 922
    ncted

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    Well, I am not going to get rid of it or anything, but it is looking more and more like a backup to OTT streaming than a primary solution these days.
     
  2. Dec 6, 2019 #642 of 922
    dgoto

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    Has anyone here used the Hopper 3 DVR from Dish Network? I have been a Tivo user for more than 10 years but I am considering the Hopper 3 due to it’s exporting capabilities which seem to becoming problems with the Tivo edge. I like to save special events to my media server after recoding and is something that is important to me. The Hopper seems to be wide open for this capability. Does any one have any experience with this DVR. I presently use Comcast but once used Dish Network more than 15 years ago.
     
  3. Dec 6, 2019 #643 of 922
    mdavej

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    I loved the Hopper. Just be aware that the transferred files would only be viewable on one of your Hoppers, as far as I know.
     
  4. Dec 6, 2019 #644 of 922
    ncted

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    Unless something has changed recently, shows downloaded from the Hopper are only viewable on DishAnywhere smartphone/tablet apps and HopperGo, which I am not sure you can even buy any more. How were you planning on unencrypting the recordings for playback from your media server?
     
  5. Dec 6, 2019 #645 of 922
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    Exactly, sometimes people forget that a Tivo or any other hardware dvrs are computers that record TV. All computers and their programs will do weird things from time to time. As weird things go my Bolt has done a lot less of them than any previous Tivos I've had. Talk about software problems, lets talk about cloud dvrs being accessed from streaming devices. Now we're dealing with possible software issues at both ends. Authorization errors, now those are fun. :D:eek:
     
  6. Dec 6, 2019 #646 of 922
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    Something has changed in the way Tivo deletes content when it thinks you are running out of hard drive space. When I was using a Premiere around 92%, things would delete that should have not. The software was very aggressive, now on the Bolt you can run it right up to the edge 99% and not lose anything.
     
  7. Dec 7, 2019 #647 of 922
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    Thanks for feedback. Tivo file format is also I believe unviewable outside Tivo environment but you can use video conversion software to save as mkv or mp4 and then store on my media server. What is the file format with hopper stores files?
     
  8. Dec 7, 2019 #648 of 922
    ncted

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    Nagravision (version 3 I think) encrypted MPEG4 H.264. As far as I know it hasn't been cracked.
     
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  9. Dec 7, 2019 #649 of 922
    ncted

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    I expected more from Amazon based on their tablets and streaming devices. Also, my Roamio OTA never gave me a day's problem. The Minis and Stream worked perfectly as well. I guess I was just lucky.
     
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    So you to be clear are saying this file format can not be played on anything other than Hopper compatible hw and the files can not be converted to other formats?
     
  11. Dec 7, 2019 #651 of 922
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    Is it possible for someone owning a hopper 3 let me get a 2-5 min recording in the format and let me see if I can convert it
     
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    I'm pretty sure you can't convert recorded files from a DISH Hopper (or even their earlier model DVRs) into a format that would allow you to watch it outside of the DISH hardware/software ecosystem (e.g. on a PC, inside Plex, etc.). If that's what you're looking for, you're barking up the wrong tree with DISH.
     
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    This question about the Hopper file format is interesting. @Dan203 can you advise?
     
  14. Dec 7, 2019 #654 of 922
    mdavej

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    Waste of time. That would be the biggest video piracy loophole in history and we would have found out about it years ago. Have you ever seen any evidence whatsoever that their encryption has been hacked?
     
  15. Dec 8, 2019 #655 of 922
    ncted

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    As far as I can tell, that is correct.
     
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    So does anyone here have access to hopper files where I could get a 2-5 min file and play with it see what might be done with conversion? Thanks
     
  17. Dec 8, 2019 #657 of 922
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    I am trying to confirm Tivo is the only DVR that allows files to be exported to your PC for edited.

    Since the new Edge seems to have problems with this most important capability I am presently looking for alternatives to replacing my 2 hard drive upgraded Premiere TIVOs with both still work fine. Does anyone have ideas?
     
  18. Dec 8, 2019 #658 of 922
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    Channels DVR allows files to edited on a PC, but it's more like a DIY DVR on the hardware side. Channels DVR software can run on multiple hardware platforms.
     
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    mdavej

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    I've used quite a few systems that make editable files - Windows Media Center, iView, Recast, Myth, Channels, etc. But I don't have a comprehensive list as I've never really had a need to edit them. I just watch and delete. More time and trouble than it's worth, IMO.
     
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    That's interesting. On TE3 or TE4? I'm just curious, it doesn't affect me now, as I have an OTA 3TB unit that can record the entire NBC Olympics broadcasts (which are also lower bitrate than back in Rio) and have room to spare.

    Not really. People can do it with TiVo today, or go through the analog hole. It's sad that content providers and MVPDs are so paranoid about piracy. It's been proven over and over again that all DRM does is punish legitimate users. Piracy is going to be on the rise as the content owners pull content from streaming services and silo it. The game goes on.
     

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