TiVo Alternatives?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Saturn, Sep 21, 2019.

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    Pokemon_Dad

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    There's also TV Everywhere (TVE) access to your cable channels without a CableCARD, via the internet. Verizon FIOS offers this in several ways [details here], and an app like Channels DVR can use the same cable login credentials to stream and record those programs.

    Not all cable channels can be accessed via TVE, but most of them. And they don't offer the highest visual or audio quality, but it's good enough for many. For me it's certainly good enough for news shows. Everything else we DVR is on a channel available via OTA.
     
  2. Dec 3, 2019 #622 of 922
    mdavej

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    Incorrect. Windows Media Center works pretty much the same as Tivo if you use cable card, as I’ve posted several times in this thread.
     
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    FiOS probably won't be doing TV by then, they'll be moving everyone on to YouTube TV.

    Aside from being an awful piece of software in many ways, Windows MCE has a known death date of January 10, 2023, as it is not supported by Windows 10. Whether FiOS kills QAM before than is anyone's guess.

    For locals only, copy-flagged functionality isn't needed, so Channels would work.
     
  4. Dec 3, 2019 #624 of 922
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    Ah. I'm sure I knew that at one point, but forgot. Thanks for the reminder.
     
  5. Dec 3, 2019 #625 of 922
    mdavej

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    Sorry, I thought we were talking in the present tense. I also didn’t realize “unsupported” operating systems stopped working immediately. I must be hallucinating when I run DOS, Win 3.1, NT, 95, and XP VMs everyday.
     
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  6. Dec 4, 2019 #626 of 922
    bbrown9

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    Isn't WMC pretty much dead? Use a cable card with what? I would have to buy a new PC and a tuner that accepts a cable card. Does anyone make one of those anymore? The new PC will be running Windows 10 - I din't think WMC is supported on Windows 10. Moving from TiVo to technology that's older and essentially obsolete doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
     
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    ncted

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    FYI: YTTV news for those considering it:

     
  8. Dec 4, 2019 #628 of 922
    mschnebly

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    Commodore VIC-20 with the tape drive?
     
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    They will still work, but are unsecure to use on the internet, and should not be used except for testing/research purposes where the internet is not used. And what about guide data? Presumably Microsoft will turn that off at some point as well, likely at the end of Windows 8 Extended Support, since there would be no reason to provide guide data to a dead product.

    Further, investing in a system that is known to have an end date and is known to never receive updates again is crazy.

    And that's all in addition to MCE being a terrible and piece of software to begin with that's unreliable and has a horrible UI/UX.

    This is my detailed impression of MCE back in 2012 when I built an HTPC to run it:

    Extremely disappointed with MCE - TheGreenButton.tv

    I subsequently got a Premiere XL4, which served for 4 years as a cable DVR. A few months before I cut the cord, I got a refurb Roamio OTA on Black Friday special for $199, upgraded it to 3TB, and that's my TiVo now. I have zero reason to go back to a traditional cord, if I want sports/Olympics/news in the 2020 supercycle, I will get YouTube TV on a Roku or Nvidia Shield. Obviously the entire pay TV landscape has changed so drastically since I wrote that, I wouldn't consider investing in cable DVR hardware at this point in the game, especially considering that they may not work at all in some towns in a few years (Comcast IPTV conversion).
     
  10. Dec 4, 2019 #630 of 922
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    MAY NOT !!!!! Anything moving forward needs to be an individual assessment!
     
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    My experience and opinion of WMC is essentially the same as yours. It's just incorrect to say it's not an option when it still exists and works. Would it be a smart thing to do? Absolutely not. But people have done far crazier things to save a few bucks. If you have the old hardware and software and like to tinker, why not?

    I decommissioned my WMC system years ago in favor of Tivo. Now I don't even use Tivo anymore. But if I powered my old WMC system back up today, it would work fine even though I can't fathom ever going back to WMC. I participated in TGB forum back then as well and had many posts trying to talk people out of WMC, but a small group still insists on using it no matter what. I have no way of knowing that such a person isn't in this thread. So I simply put all the options out there, no matter how insane they may seem to me and you.

    I think we're all on the same page except for the fact that I can't say WMC won't work until it actually stops working.

    I didn't intend to argue this point, as it really serves no practical purpose. I'm only correcting an incorrect statement, nothing more, nothing less.
     
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    Bigg

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    True. If one wants to get a CableCard set up for MCE, it will probably work until January 10, 2023, as long as Microsoft keeps providing guide data for the handful of die-hards out there. It's sad because MCE was the right idea, it was just so poorly executed.
     
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    Since you can use Schedules Direct for guide data it should run forever... I used WMC for multiple years and found it just as satisfying as TiVo, DVBLink and many other DVRs.
     
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    Schedules Direct is the guide data source that I use with my open-source MythTV DVR system. $25 bucks a year. Works well.
     
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    I use WMC on my Windows 7 Desktop PC with a Comcast Cable Card. Works fine. I don't really care about guide data. Just want the cable-card to decode programming.
     
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    Don't know about that. I am using their crappy Xg1v4 and the college games I've seen in 4k HDR are beautiful. I am super anal about pic quality and it's damn good.
     
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    Bigg

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    Except that 99% of the content isn't available in 4k, and is horrible over-compressed 720p that looks like 480p. It's actually worse than that, as due to the way it's compressed it seemingly switches back and forth between 480p-ish quality and barely 720p quality.
     
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    For those considering the Recast, I thought I should share my recent experience:

    I got a message on one of my firesticks that my Recast had filled up its hard drive and would start deleting the oldest unprotected programs last night. However, when I went to check the storage usage, none of my firesticks could communicate with the Recast. It was recording the nightly news programs for my wife at the time, so I had to wait until it was done to reboot it. After reboot, it was again communicating and indeed showed the disk as almost full. It did not appear to have deleted anything I cared about.

    I had a nice 1TB USB 3.0 drive I could use for storage, so I plugged that in and told the Recast to format it when prompted. After that was done, I checked the space and it showed a total of 1.9TB with ~900GB available, so all seemed well. Then, later, when my wife wanted to watch the news, she noticed that the NBC Nightly News recordings were all gone, including the most recent. After checking, there were several other shows that were completely gone, and now the storage usage was only ~600GB, with 1.3TB available. It seems that the Recast arbitrarily decided to delete ~300GB of shows. The more I use this thing, the buggier it seems. It is a good thing I have YouTubeTV, and it looks like I'll be keeping it for the foreseeable future.
     
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    mdavej

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    Yeah mine went out to lunch yesterday as well. I figured it was an update gone wrong. Hard power cycle fixed it. Yes, it was annoying, but I’m not too concerned since similar things have happened to every software driven device I’ve ever had, including TiVo.
     
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    Bigg

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    TiVo is not that bad, but during Rio, my Premiere XL4 went off the deep end and started prematurely deleting stuff after it was over 80% capacity during high-volume recording days (30+ hours of recording, some up to 17mbps).
     

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