TiVo Alternatives?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Saturn, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. Dec 1, 2019 #601 of 793
    osu1991

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    That’s because Plex now uses TiVo/Rovi for guide data, so errors will be on both of them.
     
  2. Dec 2, 2019 #602 of 793
    Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    As you probably already know, Channels DVR uses Gracenote data. In a side-by-side comparison, that has been more accurate for me than RiVo.

    What other EPGs rely on Gracenote? Apparently if we want a true TiVo alternative, that must be one of the criteria.
     
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  3. Dec 2, 2019 #603 of 793
    wmcbrine

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    The HDHR just records data streams -- it doesn't need to fully understand their content. Only the playback devices and apps need that. As long as the HDHR can record QAM, it should be ready for 4K, AFAICT.
     
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    ncted

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    Er...I didn't post that. Amnesia did.
     
  5. Dec 2, 2019 #605 of 793
    jcthorne

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    Its not the money. I already own the best streaming device there is. Nvidia Shield, simply plays anything and is an amazing client for Plex which is 80% or more of our viewing now. I like what I see in the Recast but would need an Android TV app for it. Tried a HD Homerun and was not impressed, went back to Tivo and input swapping. Perhaps Tivo will someday release the streaming device apps they have long promised....or Amazon release one for thiers.
     
  6. Dec 2, 2019 #606 of 793
    Pokemon_Dad

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    If it could just be a software client update, that would be great. But that may require licensing of a software decoder, and well as certain amount of processing power on the client side as well. A whole new can of worms. Perhaps they're not promising it's 4K ready because none of their clients are ready?
     
  7. Dec 2, 2019 #607 of 793
    spiderpumpkin

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    In the Channels DVR forums I saw it mentioned that someone recorded 4K with Channels and HDHR Prime and Fios. Advice for HDHR newbie who is now considering Channels with DVR
     
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  8. Dec 2, 2019 #608 of 793
    spiderpumpkin

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    Tried HDHR with what? Did you try it with Channels DVR?
     
  9. Dec 2, 2019 #609 of 793
    Pokemon_Dad

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    Well there you go @Amnesia & @wmcbrine: a report that at least some users have used the old three-tuner Prime to record 4K programs! I wonder why the Prime 6 marketing doesn't mention that.

    The same thread also notes that true future-proofing would require ATSC3 support, but that's a couple years off too and the chipsets are not yet cheaply mass-produced.
     
  10. Dec 3, 2019 #610 of 793
    slowbiscuit

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    You do know you can get rid of the Tivo status bar quickly by entering the Select-Play-Select-Pause-Select remote sequence, right? Makes a huge difference for trick play, but unfortunately you have to enter it after every boot because it's not sticky like the 30-sec skip.

    Trick play controls are one of the key features that lets Tivo own just about every alternative.
     
  11. Dec 3, 2019 #611 of 793
    Pokemon_Dad

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    The "Clear" button removes the TiVo status bar too.
     
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  12. Dec 3, 2019 #612 of 793
    wmcbrine

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    There's hardly any to record. Fios has a couple of part-time channels, amounting to a few hours a week. Comcast had nothing.
     
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  13. Dec 3, 2019 #613 of 793
    Pokemon_Dad

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    Almost nothing. Comcast/Xfinity offers 4K for some programs in On Demand (not supported by the Prime), and they seem to be testing it on just a few minor individual sports events on specific dates.

    The biggest challenges for the Prime 6 may not be 4K or anything technical. It may be the approvals and legal liabilities involved in decoding DRM channels. The old model doesn't handle that.
     
  14. Dec 3, 2019 #614 of 793
    Amnesia

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    Yeah, but there will (hopefully) be some within 5 years, which is well within the expected useful lifespan of the next DVR I buy...
     
  15. Dec 3, 2019 #615 of 793
    wmcbrine

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    My point, yes.
     
  16. Dec 3, 2019 #616 of 793
    Bigg

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    The bigger issue is that the tech-savvy people have mostly moved on from linear TV, so their target audience, which was already a niche of a niche is now a niche of a niche of a niche, and AFAIK, none of these solutions support DRM'ed channels, so they're now targeting a niche of a niche of a niche of a niche. And add to that the fact that Comcast is moving to IPTV, and some small MSOs have stopped doing video altogether, and more will follow suit over the next few years. This is a dead market, they should all focus entirely on OTA, which at least is just a niche of a niche, and has a healthy niche-niche market.
     
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  17. Dec 3, 2019 #617 of 793
    Pokemon_Dad

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    Makes sense. I'm trying out the OTA+TVE niche of a niche right now.
     
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    randian

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    I don't know why they're bothering, everybody knows they'll strangle the bit-rate so hard it won't look much better than good SD.
     
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    bbrown9

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    I finally got through this whole thread and what I got from it is that there are several possibilities for OTA but for a TiVo/cablecard replacement, the only real option is the cable company. I can't use OTA because my area doesn't have good reception.
    I have Verizon FIOS, no prime channels.

    Is my understanding correct?
    If so, I think I'll just stick with TiVo TE3 until I can no longer use it, and then figure out what to do from there. The options will probably be different by then
     
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  20. Dec 3, 2019 #620 of 793
    WVZR1

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    That's pretty much my plan. My Xfinity is good until 7/21 so I'll just ride it out and see what develops. I imagine we're likely good for a very long while! There's many everyday that tell us different! Most of those would likely be very good applicants for the Schiff Show!!! They'll pass on anything!!!
     

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