TiVo Alternatives?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Saturn, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. NashGuy

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

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    @jzinckgra, nope, the HDHomeRun DVR app (which is used with the HDHR Scribe) does not appear to have any kind of ad-skip feature. Here's a pretty good review of that app/service from a guy who writes about cord-cutting and has tried all the different options:

    SiliconDust HDHomeRun DVR review: Buy the hardware, but you should skip the software
     
  2. NashGuy

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I wouldn't even refer to a product like the iView as a DVR, which, IMO, necessarily involves a program guide. But for certain use-cases, I can imagine how such a product would suffice. Saw a guy post that he was getting one for his mom because the only thing she wanted to record every day was the PBS News Hour so that she could watch it while having dinner after work. For folks with very modest OTA recording needs, who want to spend as little as possible, it gets the job done.
     
  3. spiderpumpkin

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    Another thing that doesn't get mentioned much is that Channels DVR uses Gracenote for guide data.
     
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  4. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    This has been changing. The following FAQ from their website doesn't mention TVE, but in my setup the guide data for my Connect and TVE channels seem to be from the SiliconDust EPG. Much the DVR interface also seems to rely on the SiliconDust approach to indexing. (Neither includes the patented "SliceView", and I'm fine with that.)
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    The app uses two different providers for EPG data. The provider chosen depends on your HDHomeRun model and your location.
    • SiliconDust (same as HDHomeRun VIEW app)
      • USA, UK and Australia
      • HDHomeRun CONNECT or HDHomeRun PRIME (w/ cable card only)
    • Gracenote
      • USA ClearQAM, international DVB-T
      • HDHomeRun DUAL and other legacy tuners
    When the app is using Gracenote for data, the "Powered by Gracenote" logo will appear on the Settings tab.
     
  5. NashGuy

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but even when the data is coming from SiliconDust, I think they're just passing on Gracenote data. See here:
    Partners - SiliconDust

    With regard to the Channels app specifically, I know if you subscribe to their Channels Plus service, then you get a 14-day program guide from Gracenote (coming from either Channels' or Gracenote's server). If, like me, you don't subscribe to Channels Plus and only use the Channels app with an HDHomeRun Connect for live TV (not DVR), then your program guide data comes from SiliconDust's server and it only extends forward for the next few hours.
     
  6. NashGuy

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    I don't really know if there are *any* US OTA DVR solutions available other than TiVo that don't use Gracenote. From what I've seen, it looks like they all use Gracenote. If anyone knows otherwise, please share.
     
  7. spiderpumpkin

    spiderpumpkin Say no to Hydra!

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    My apps say powered by Gracenote like it mentions in faq.


    I guess I mentioned Gracenote data because I've been running Channels Plus DVR for 2 months and the guide is always accurate for OTA, cable, TVEverywhere, Locast and even different Locast cities using VPN.
     
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  8. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    It's certainly more accurate than TiVo in my experience. For example, at least two other threads here have discussed today's SNAFU regarding an Arrow episode labeled as Batwoman. A week ago I confirmed TiVo was wrong while Channels (Gracenote/SiliconDust) was accurate. I also often find very confusing double listings for news/commentary shows in TiVo until the day of the show. No such problem in Channels.
     
  9. eherberg

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    Plex DVR switched this summer, I think, from Gracenote to Rovi
     
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    Through Dec 22, if you pay with the Amazon Prime Rewards Visa, you can get an extra 15% back on Fire TV Recast and Fire TV Streaming Sticks at Amazon.
     
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  11. DBV1

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    I still like my TiVo Roamio OTA for quality. I think it is outstanding. I have been testing the Channels DVR with my AT&T TV Now subscription and unfortunately I can't get the quality nailed down on Channels. It is a great idea and really wish it would, as love having the ability to commercial skip on AT&T Now recordings.

    For some reason, it seems like it is recording at 30fps and not close to what AT&T Now looks like or on my TiVO for OTA's. Tried all different settings and can't get it figured out. Almost looks SD like, especially when the scenes are moving.
     
  12. wmcbrine

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    It doesn't record from AT&T Now -- it just uses that to authenticate. It records from the individual channels' TV Everywhere services (from their web sites), so the quality depends on them. Most aren't great, as you've seen.
     
  13. DBV1

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    Yes - I understand that and sorry if I did not state that correctly. Quality is definitely not worth it for the $8 a month. Don't get a 77 A9G Oled or use my Kuro to watch almost SD quality.... :)

    Channels has a great concept, but have to get all channels HD quality.
     
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  14. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    TVE is fine for us as a source of cable news shows, with OTA for everything else we record via Channels. If we watched much HD entertainment on cable channels that OTA doesn't pull in then I might have complaints, but streaming has taken over that portion of our consumption.

    Still testing and looking at options here. Xfinity Instant is similar to AT&T Now, and I can envision dropping cable for Xfinity Instant with the news pack in a bundle with internet for a total cost probably less than Hulu Live TV or YTTV with standalone internet.
     
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  15. DBV1

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    Yes - I have OTA, but I record OTA with my TiVo. I purchased an HD Homerun to use with Channels, but have not taken it out of the box and will probably return it. If quality can not match my TiVo, which so far looks like it can not, based on my AT&T Now Channels App recording experience, then there is no use trying the HD Homerun. Wish it would be great quality.
     
  16. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

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    The quality on OTA channels should be identical.
     
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  17. Pokemon_Dad

    Pokemon_Dad Ruler of Unown UI

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    My point was you haven't yet made an apples-to-apples comparison. I think OTA looks great on Channels, better than TVE (AT&T Now, etc.). I suggest you try the HomeRun on Channels, and compare those OTA programs with OTA programs on your TiVo at your leisure.
     
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  18. Aaron Malloy

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    I've decided to get a Amazon Recast DVR. It's the 2 tuner model currently on sale for $129. I don't expect it to work as smoothly as a TiVo, being that it's new tech. But I just wanted a basic DVR now that I'm dropping my TiVo subscription. And best thing about it, no monthly fee!
     
  19. Mikeguy

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    Might there be a benefit to thinking about the 4-tuner version, for $50 more? More tuners always can be good.
     
  20. Aaron Malloy

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    Sure, that's always a consideration. But I'm finding I'm watching more content via streaming than OTA. The need for the ability to record 4 programs at the exact same time just isn't there for me.
     
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