TiVo Alternatives?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Saturn, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. Nov 22, 2019 #521 of 1017
    tapokata

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    Yeah, the entire recording was my faulty memory (sorry, chemo brain). The bandwidth numbers are from their web site. The auto-skip function is only available on a few of their apps, and the user can opt out of the process, for the reasons you noted.
     
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  2. Nov 22, 2019 #522 of 1017
    tapokata

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    Funny that you say that. The Insignia Fire TV will actually buffer a few minutes of a live broadcast to the internal memory. The only drawback to expanding that to an internal hard disk drive would be the noise.

    That said, a headless DVR like the Tablo, Recast, or Silicon HD- streaming from a single location to all screens on your network, cuts out the stand-alone boxes. Tablo has apps for many of the major brand smart TV systems: from their web pages:

    It's an input change on the TV remote, but it works.
     
  3. Nov 23, 2019 #523 of 1017
    jzinckgra

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    So I think I am leaning towards the scribe duo for our Android TV. Anyone know when tivos patents expire? Is this the only thing preventing others from making a device like theirs? Seems like scribe is nearly the same with it's integrated harddrive but having to stream channels. I plan to use Ethernet cable to plug direct into box. Yet, from there it still goes through wifi to the TV, correct? Seems so inefficient.
     
  4. Nov 23, 2019 #524 of 1017
    mdavej

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    If you're planning to use Silicon Dust's own DVR software, you really need to watch a youtube video demo. Their software is really, really, really terrible.

    Assuming the Scribe only works with SD's software, I think you'd be much better off just getting a tuner (non-Scribe version), your own hard drive and some other DVR software (Channels, Google Live TV, etc.).
     
  5. Nov 23, 2019 #525 of 1017
    jzinckgra

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    Can you still use Channels even as an alternative with the scribe? I thought I read that somewhere
     
  6. Nov 23, 2019 #526 of 1017
    jzinckgra

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    You're right. Scribe does not work with Channels. Too bad. I really don't want to have to get the barebones sys, a stand alone drive then Channels and then have to run that server on my PC. The scribe is much more straight forward by being able to install the app on my tv
     
  7. Nov 23, 2019 #527 of 1017
    Pokemon_Dad

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    A Scribe is more plug-and-play and may be all you need, but loading Channels on a PC or an NAS is really easy, I promise. Everyone here will help, though I doubt you'd need us. I don't mind the HD HomeRun software for live TV sometimes, but for a DVR I far prefer Channels. Mine is on a Synology NAS.
     
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  8. Nov 23, 2019 #528 of 1017
    Bigg

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    Channels can use the Scribe's tuners, but it can't run on the Scribe. So the Scribe would be a waste over the regular tuners for Channels.
     
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  9. Nov 24, 2019 #529 of 1017
    Adam C.

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    The Recast is back to 179.99 today.
     
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  10. Nov 24, 2019 #530 of 1017
    HerronScott

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    I don't think there's any TiVo patent keeping someone from making a DVR like theirs. Their original core patents expired last year (Time Warp one) and possibly this year. Of course they have other patents that they've been issued later and Rovi brought their own set of patents to the combined company especially related to guide data (looking at some of the recent lawsuits against Comcast those seem to be Rovi patents).

    Scott
     
  11. Nov 24, 2019 #531 of 1017
    NashGuy

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    Pre-Black Friday sale alert! Both models of the Recast are $100 off. The 500GB 2-tuner Recast is on sale now for $130 while the 1TB 4-tuner Recast is on sale for $180.

    Also, the Fire TV Stick 4K is half off at $25.

    Anyone looking to try out a Recast should bite now. I doubt we'll see prices go any lower. For $155 (2-tuner Recast and a Fire TV 4K stick), you've got a full OTA DVR solution for one TV with no ongoing fees. That's a hard deal to beat.
     
  12. Nov 24, 2019 #532 of 1017
    jzinckgra

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    Great deal. I haven't pulled trigger on hdhr yet. May reconsider recast
     
  13. Nov 24, 2019 #533 of 1017
    NashGuy

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    In my experience, Amazon has a pretty liberal return policy. If you bought it and didn't like it, the most you'd likely be out would be the return shipping charge (if that).

    BTW, I've read that Amazon has issued a software update to the Recast that allows users to expand recording storage space by attaching an external hard drive to the USB port. So you wouldn't be limited to the internal 500GB or 1TB storage.

    Amazon Fire TV Recast now supports external USB Hard Drive Storage Expansion
     
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  14. Nov 24, 2019 #534 of 1017
    jzinckgra

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    My only hang up is still on max pq at 720. With TiVo, most of our ota shows are on major networks at 1080. We have a 75" tv so I think the reduction in pq would be quite noticeable
     
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  15. Nov 24, 2019 #535 of 1017
    NashGuy

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    Yeah, I get that. Don't know if you've read through this thread but maybe the reviews there would be helpful to you:
    Amazon Fire TV Recast

    Sounds like your decision comes down to:

    Buy an HDHomeRun Scribe Duo (2 tuners, 1 TB) for $150, then $35/yr after the first year of service. Pro: Pristine non-transcoded picture quality and the ability to stay within your Sony TV's native Android TV system. Con: The HDHomeRun app, which has received poor reviews in terms of UI/UX.

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    Buy a Fire TV Recast (2 tuners, 500 GB) plus a Fire TV Stick 4K for $155, with no ongoing service fees ever. Pro: Good UI/UX for live and recorded OTA TV that integrates well with the broader UI for streaming apps. No ongoing fees. Ability to expand storage space. Ad-skip feature is reportedly being tested with some users, so may be released to everyone soon? Con: Transcoded 720p video that reportedly looks slightly softer than a non-transcoded 1080i signal.

    (BTW, in case you didn't know, the free streaming channels from Pluto TV integrate into the Fire TV's live channel guide right alongside your live OTA channels from the Recast. And if you have Prime Video and add premium subscriptions to it for HBO, Showtime, etc., then those live premium streaming channels, e.g. Showtime Extreme, will also show up in the Fire TV grid guide. Also, if you subscribe to the Philo live cable channel service, then those live streaming channels also integrate into the Fire TV grid guide. Fire TV has done a better job than any other platform to pull together live channels from various sources into one unified interface.)
     
  16. Nov 24, 2019 #536 of 1017
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    Is there an update to fix the very annoying "weak signal" message that pops up on the screen all the time? This message is a deal-breaker for me.
     
  17. Nov 24, 2019 #537 of 1017
    MassMan

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    I've been reading the Channels DVR forum and I'v seen the devs state that their software runs best on Apple TV. I've been testing with my Apple TV 4K, and a 2nd Gen FireTV and the FireTV buffers/stutters on live tv occasionally. The Apple TV never buffers.
     
  18. Nov 24, 2019 #538 of 1017
    NashGuy

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    No idea about that. The only relevant bit I've seen with regard to the Recast's tuners is this, from the Recast thread I linked above:

     
  19. Nov 24, 2019 #539 of 1017
    NashGuy

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    For folks willing to spend the money on it, I'd say the overall best streamer-based OTA DVR set-up is probably Channels Plus, using the Channels app on an Apple TV 4K in conjunction with an HDHomeRun Connect and the Channels DVR software running on a Mac, PC or capable NAS, with all those components connected via ethernet.
     
  20. Nov 24, 2019 #540 of 1017
    Pokemon_Dad

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    That's not really comparing apples to apples, so-to-speak. The equivalent generation of the Apple TV 4K would be the Fire TV Stick 4K, Fire TV Cube 4K, and any other 4K Fire boxes out there, as well as the latest Fire TV edition televisions. I own a couple of those and have seen no buffering or stuttering of live TV via Channels on them.

    [Edit: forgot about the Cube.]
     
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