TiVo Alternatives?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Saturn, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. mdavej

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    I think you're confusing Silicon Dust's HDHR DVR software with Channels. Yes, SD makes HDHR tuners and their own DVR software. But they have nothing to do with Channels other than Channels writing their own software so that it works with SD hardware.
     
  2. spiderpumpkin

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    30 fps, and Channels DVR records exactly what is being streamed by the TVEverywhere network sites.

    Here's NBCSN TVEverywhere hockey on now and Fox Sports basketball on now.

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    Here's a Channels DVR recording details of a HDHR Quatro OTA football game from last Saturday. Screen Shot 2019-11-13 at 8.11.43 PM.png
     
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  3. OrangeCrush

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    True, but as a recurring subscriber, you can "fire" them for bad behavior. Doesn't mean they'll stop, but you don't have to reward the behavior. A lifetime subscriber's only recourse is eBay.

    SiliconDust posts very good documentation about how their hardware works. They make it easy for third party developers to take the APIs and run with them, which is what the Channels devs have done. They don't have any special relationships with Silicon Dust beyond maybe a few contacts for technical questions.
     
  4. Sparky1234

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    I've looked at Channels DVR and it seems like scheduling recordings is more challenging then TiVo. Is that the case?
     
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  5. mdavej

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    Are you talking about recording cable/OTA channels or TVE streams? Keep in mind that Tivo can't record TVE streams at all. So any extra complexity there can't be compared to Tivo.
     
  6. mschnebly

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    Yes. The ATV4k has almost become my only device for most stuff now.
     
  7. mschnebly

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    They originally made Channels for the Apple TV I think and then for other devices later.
     
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  8. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    Any tips you've learned? I found the guide scrolling to be really slow ...until I learned you can tap the touchpad up/down to navigate the guide much quicker. Still kind of slow though. Could use a page/down functionality which is present in other apps with the same remote.
     
  9. powrcow

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    Thanks for the great info! I really like the idea of Channels capturing the TVE stream, but I have a hard time with the 30fps TVE streams for sports. As it stands now, Cox sets the CCI byte on almost all channels so TiVo is still the easiest option for me (for now).
     
  10. trip1eX

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    Anybody check out PlutoTV? I was amazed at how much content it has and how much content I've heard of and that has appeal to me like the 007 channel. :)

    and it works good. I like the simple no frills design. And commercials aren't terrible. 2 minutes at a time it seems like. It feels like fewer commercials overall than networktv. I could be wrong.

    anyway I'm sure I'm behind the times in checking stuff like this out. But ...I was very surprised. There's nothing new on it. But quite a lot of good old movies and shows.

    There's hundreds of channels on it and a lot of the content you can watch on demand. OH yeah and it's free in case you're in the dark like I was.
     
  11. mdavej

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    Yeah, Pluto has grown by leaps and bounds recently. Lots of good content now.
     
  12. Sparky1234

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    Primarily OTA channels.
     
  13. wmcbrine

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    Some are 60 fps (including the third example spiderpumpkin posted). But, it's true, it's sometimes 30 when it should be 60. It all depends on the channel, since each provides its own feed through its own web site. You could always nag the bad ones to upgrade their PQ. ;)
     
  14. NashGuy

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    Yeah, I don't subscribe to a cable channel service, so occasionally when I want to channel surf like it's the 00s, I fire up Pluto TV and see what's playing. I really does feel a lot like cable TV: lots of reruns of all different kinds of shows and movies. And there's quite a bit of decent content on there, as you say.

    As for ads, I think it's usually the same amount of ads as on regular TV for 30-minute and 60-minute episodes, because those shows generally still conform to their original run times. (If they carried fewer minutes of ads on Pluto TV, they'd last less than 30 or 60 minutes total.) However, for movies, yeah, maybe the ad load is less on Pluto TV.
     
  15. mdavej

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    I don't have Channels, but I saw in a Youtube video that recording from the guide is two clicks.

    I use Amazon Recast for OTA recording, and all I do is say, "record " whatever, or do two clicks from the guide. Unlike Channels, Recast is subscription free.
     
  16. OrangeCrush

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    I haven't found it any more challenging than on TiVo. Easier, actually, since the mobile app works better than TiVo's ever did and I prefer to use my phone to set up recordings. But I find it just as easy to use via the remote as my TiVo was. The only thing I miss from TiVo is the ability to record a show in progress and have it keep what was in the buffer. Channels only starts at the point you hit record.
     
  17. spiderpumpkin

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    Channels marks commercials on everything it records and can automatically or manually skip them. That extra click to set up recording is more than made up for by not having to click through every commercial break 30 seconds at at time.
     
  18. swyman18

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    Which of pumpkin’s screen prints is showing a 60 fps TVE recording? I don’t see one.

    I see the third screen print is a 60 fps OTA recording, not TVE. Unless some of the screen prints are not showing up for me.
     
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  20. spiderpumpkin

    spiderpumpkin Say no to Hydra!

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    Yeah, that third one is OTA 60 fps. I don't think any of the TV Everywhere streams are 60 fps and Channels DVR only records the actual TV Everywhere stream.

    I bought a brand new HDHR Prime last week and picked up a Comcast CableCARD today. Channels DVR records those at the 60 fps Comcast is sending out.
     

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