TiVo Alternatives?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Saturn, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. Oct 30, 2019 #401 of 1017
    OrangeCrush

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    On second glance, so do I. Probably just overlooked it when I was making my list . . .
     
  2. Oct 30, 2019 #402 of 1017
    dave13077

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    I have switched over to Hulu with Live TV. I am a Tivo user of over 10 years but the constant Spectrum price increases have forced me to look elsewhere. Hulu has the selection of channels we want but their DVR is a mess. Very hard to navigate and use. We're still trying it out but not sure if we (WAF) will stay. I would go over to Youtube TV but we will lose some channels we want. Guess time will tell.
     
  3. Oct 30, 2019 #403 of 1017
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    My frustration with the Hulu Live DVR is that it kicks in automatically when trying to watch a currently live program, such as a sporting event. You can’t jump to live action without having to be forced through myriad commercial breaks.

    Unrelated, but with PSVue shutting down, here’s hoping Amazon partners up with another OTT provider for FireTV guide integration.
     
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  4. Oct 31, 2019 #404 of 1017
    NashGuy

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    Yeah, Hulu's basic cloud DVR doesn't let you FF/skip through ads in recordings. So that's why it makes you watch all those commercial breaks when you try to jump up to live action inside a recording that's still in progress. Maybe that wouldn't happen if you upgraded to the enhanced cloud DVR, though, which does allow you to FF through ads. It also expands your storage from 50 to 200 hours. But it costs an extra $10/mo.
     
  5. Oct 31, 2019 #405 of 1017
    Pokemon_Dad

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    OK, you all get to say ya told me so. For now at least: No HDHomeRun Prime 6 This Year

    At this point my test alternative system is doing so well with OTA and TVE, I'm not sure I'd ever need a Prime anyway, and I'm tempted to try a fully cut cord solution next instead.

    Still, a Prime 6 sure could be part of a good TiVo alternative to have available ...if it could allow unrestricted recording.
     
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  6. Nov 1, 2019 #406 of 1017
    ncted

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    I tried out their Enhanced DVR, and it does allow FF in recordings. I am using YTTV right now and finding I like its DVR better, although both suffer from VOD replacement on many shows. Sling does not, but there are a number of channels you cannot record at all, like ESPN. None of these is a perfect replacement for a Tivo or Hopper TBH.
     
  7. Nov 1, 2019 #407 of 1017
    dave13077

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    My experience with Hulu and the Enhanced DVR is mixed. It is very hard to tell what has recorded and when it will record a upcoming show again. Also if you try and record from the guide it will only record that one episode. If you want the whole series you have to search it in "my stuff" and save it there. Also I still have not found a way for it to automatically record upcoming NFL games. All you can do is do it manually every week. Was looking to maybe switch to You Tube TV but will lose some channels we watch.
     
  8. Nov 1, 2019 #408 of 1017
    mdavej

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    My Ceton ETH6 and Windows Media Center still works fine for unrestricted recording.

    I still don't understand how two 3-tuner Primes aren't equivalent to one 6.

    Incidentally, I'm loving Youtube TV.
     
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  9. Nov 1, 2019 #409 of 1017
    NashGuy

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    The growing consensus on the interwebs seems to be that YouTube TV is just the best overall streaming cable TV service and a lot of that has to do with its strong cloud DVR. But other than shows from CBS, as well as The CW and Pop (both of which are owned or partially owned by CBS), are you seeing any other recordings that get replaced with VOD versions? I thought it was just down to those few channels (and even then, only on some series and only the following day when the VOD version becomes available).

    Yikes. That Hulu DVR sounds pretty bad. More than anyone else, Hulu has seemed intent on using their UI to blur the lines between live linear, on-demand, and cloud DVR. And while I think that Hulu does, in a lot of ways, represent where TV is heading, I can also see how it would be frustrating for folks who come from a traditional cable DVR system and want to more or less replicate those habits on Hulu. I would *never* recommend Hulu with Live TV, for instance, to my parents. Just too much of a paradigm shift. And from your description of their recording controls, it sounds like Hulu needs to rethink a few things.

    YouTube TV has, from what I gather, a much simpler, easier-to-understand UI and I think that's a big part of their success. Just "add" a series and all its episodes get recorded and added to your library. (No need to worry about storage since its unlimited.) Just "add" a sports team and all their available games get recorded.
     
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  10. Nov 1, 2019 #410 of 1017
    mdavej

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    I have lots of CBS recordings on YTTV, not on demand versions.
     
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    Adam C.

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    I had this same problem with Philo TV, and it's one of the main reasons I cancelled. With their DVR you "save" shows you want to watch and it records them whenever they air. The problem is when you go to watch, it mixes your recordings in with the VOD content for that show. So it is very difficult to navigate to the newest recording or even tell if there was a new recording to begin with. Plus it doesn't let you delete individual episodes after you watch them, so it just makes it that much harder to determine what is new and what is not.
     
  12. Nov 1, 2019 #412 of 1017
    dave13077

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    Sounds identical to my experience so far with Hulu. What are you using now?
     
  13. Nov 1, 2019 #413 of 1017
    ncted

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    TBH, I just have YTTV right now because my CBS station still isn't back to full power after the repack, so I am not really watching much other than that on it. I did watch the F1 race last weekend on my local ABC station as an in-progress recording just to get a better feel, and it was a bit confusing at first since I couldn't tell whether it would resume playback correctly, but I eventually became more comfortable with it.
     
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  14. Nov 1, 2019 #414 of 1017
    NashGuy

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    Can you always FF through the ads in those CBS recordings on YTTV?
     
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    Aaron Malloy

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    It seems that no matter what other options are out there, they are all a compromise to what Tivo offers. The monthly fee is the biggest gripe I have. I'll peruse eBay now and then to find a used unit with lifetime (at a good price), but they are few and far between.
     
  16. Nov 1, 2019 #416 of 1017
    mdavej

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    Yes so far. I don't think "always" applies to YTTV. Seems to be related to how old the recordings are in some cases.
     
  17. Nov 1, 2019 #417 of 1017
    OrangeCrush

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    Only for cable, but only because there aren't many other options. Even then, a TiVo can't access most cable operators' on-demand libraries which is a pretty significant compromise.

    TiVo has no relevance at all vs. linear streaming services and there are compelling alternatives in the OTA space. More compelling, imo.
     
  18. Nov 1, 2019 #418 of 1017
    OrangeCrush

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    Are any younger than 90 days that don't let you FF? Philo does something a little like that--30 days in their case--and once the recording ages out, it goes back to being VOD as long as the network has it.
     
  19. Nov 1, 2019 #419 of 1017
    Adam C.

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    The streaming services are meant to be an alternative to cable, not a substitute for cable. They offer fewer channels and just basic DVR functionality in order to cut costs so that people have a cheaper option than cable. If you need a DVR with a large amount of storage, no expiration dates, and other features, that's why cable companies charge $20/month for the equipment.
     
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    NashGuy

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    Yes, that's generally been the case, although I do think that AT&T TV -- when it finally rolls out nationwide in its finalized form (now pushed back to early 2020, it seems) -- will be a full-fledged substitute for traditional cable TV. Although it streams OTT, it will be the service that AT&T uses to immediately replace their aging Uverse TV product and it will also be what they push rather than DirecTV, which will mainly shift to being their solution for rural dwellers without home broadband.
     

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