TiVo Alternatives?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Saturn, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. Oct 25, 2019 #381 of 1017
    Bigg

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    DirecTV is much more picky on dish alignment than DISH, since it's Ka vs. Ku. Eastern Arc is higher in the sky on the east coast, so in theory it has to cut through less of the atmosphere, but that doesn't seem to overcome the technical superiority of DirecTV's Ka system. A well aligned DirecTV dish will never be out for more than a few minutes, and that won't happen very often. DirecTV's 99% claim is very conservative, in reality, they are pushing 9's. Probably not to datacenter/internet level reliability where at 99.9999% you get a few minutes per year of downtime, but certainly 99.9% or 99.99%.
     
  2. Oct 25, 2019 #382 of 1017
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    While Ka can certainly transmit more data than Ku, I am not sure how Ka can better for resisting rain fade. Ka's wavelengths are nearly half that of Ku. Is it because the dish's are the roughly the same size?
     
  3. Oct 25, 2019 #383 of 1017
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    Yeah, I can definitely believe that 99% claim. Even with all the rain fade I experienced, I'm sure it didn't add up to anywhere near that amount (over 87 hours) per year. The problem is that the outages are sprinkled throughout your viewing, a couple minutes here, 9 minutes there, 23 minutes there, etc. It's just really annoying. I'd rather just have my TV go out completely for one day a year (which, frankly, I'm not sure I ever experienced with either Comcast or AT&T Uverse TV) rather than have little outages messing with my viewing multiple times throughout the year. Nothing like sitting down to watch something on your DVR and then it pixelates and stops playing. "Oh, must've been rain fade. Great."
     
  4. Oct 25, 2019 #384 of 1017
    Pokemon_Dad

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    Thanks. That explains why A&E and History are not there, but not the others that are available via TVE yet not in Channels. Many providers that do license through TVE to a particular provider apparently do not allow it to be shared beyond that provider's own app. For examples, see my report on Xfinity and @OrangeCrush's report on YTTV.
     
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    Pokemon_Dad

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    I really don't see what discussion of satellite reception has to do with the topic of this thread. It is interesting to me though, because I'm a telecom geek.
     
  6. Oct 25, 2019 #386 of 1017
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    I believe technically Ka is actually more susceptible to rain fade, DirecTV has just implemented their system in a better way than DISH. Ka has way more bandwidth in a much narrower arc than Ku.

    I've had various cable companies go out for hours or days at a time. Whether a few minutes here and there is more annoying than a longer total outage in one big chunk is a matter of preference I guess, that isn't reflected in satellite's numerically superior reliability.
     
  7. Oct 25, 2019 #387 of 1017
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    Channels DVR uses a virtual Chrome tab to pick up the TVE streams so they have to be accessible via a web browser to work. Some networks only support mobile apps which aren't supported. That said, the developers are very engaged with the community and if there happens to be a channel they don't pick up that actually does work in a web browser, they'll add it if they can. Often quickly.
     
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    Yeah, I figured it was something like that which initially was kind of a turn-off because I didn’t think the picture quality would be that great on a “large” screen considering the whole web/chrome thing. But I am pleasantly surprised at the quality of most of the channels.
     
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  9. Oct 26, 2019 #389 of 1017
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    For those of you with "money is no object" budgets, Modulus is a great TiVo alternative.

    $5000 will get you a fantastic AV + photos server, up to 20 TBs of storage, a DVR with auto commercial skip, mini clients (extra charge), streaming services and the ability to actually record streaming programming.

    The New Home Media Experience

    I'm thinking if picking up this line for my more wealthy clients.
     
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  10. Oct 26, 2019 #390 of 1017
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    My experience with TimeWarnerCable is it was out more than Dish or DirecTV ever was. I've never had Uverse, but I have had AT&T Fiber for a couple of years now, and each winter we've had a multi-day outage due to ice storms. Other than OTA, Satellite has been the most reliable TV service I've ever had. YMMV obviously.
     
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    ncted

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    Technically, it should be almost twice as susceptible. I am curious to know what DirecTV does to overcome that. Can you point me to some more info?
     
  12. Oct 26, 2019 #392 of 1017
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    CableCard anything is a terrible idea at this point given the situation with QAM. That being said, can that thing handle copy flagged content? What is it based on? I've never even heard of it before.

    It seems weird to try to put everyone on one box when high end AV systems like Crestron and Control4 can combine all sorts of different sources, and can be more easily upgraded over time.

    I don't know, other than the size, shape, and stabilization of the dish, and DISH's relatively weak Ku-band satellites, at least on EA.
     
  13. Oct 26, 2019 #393 of 1017
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    Cool. Thanks for sharing. I recall Magnolia trying to sell me something like that almost ten years ago. That was before they got bought by Best Buy, and slowly lost all their brainpower. I wasn't going to bite anyway though, because like many in this region I made my money in part by understanding how to assemble tech solutions myself, which I get a kick out of doing, so was sort of insulted by the idea. But we're all nerds 'n geeks around here.

    At this point they should probably modify the statement that "Modulus is the ONLY technology that allows you to record all your streaming content". Or is Modulus able to capture more than the Channels DVR solution we've discussed in previous posts here?
     
  14. Oct 26, 2019 #394 of 1017
    swyman18

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    In reading through their site, it looks like it does quite a bit more than Channels DVR. A true hardware DVR with built in BD player, along with the capability to record on-demand content like Netflix. For $5K, it better do it all flawlessly. Including being able to record the on-demand content in original video/audio format. Not just 720p max / 2.0 stereo like PlayOn.TV does.
     
  15. Oct 27, 2019 #395 of 1017
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    I should get one in here to test.
     
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  16. Oct 27, 2019 #396 of 1017
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    So, sounds like DirecTV just uses higher-powered (i.e. more expensive) satellites to accomplish the same thing (or better) that Dish does with lower-powered birds. The result is the DirecTV dishes are harder to peak perfectly, so many DirecTV customers are probably experiencing worse rain fade than they should be. Also, they could be dialing up the error correction and bandwidth, and we know DirecTV uses more bandwidth per channel than Dish, so that also seems likely. The downside is channels changes would take longer on similar hardware, and we know that is true as well. Going from an HR54 to a Hopper3 was like hitting the "ludicrous speed" button for me when changing channels. My Fire Recast doesn't have nearly that speed, and I miss it, but I am not willing to pay what traditional cable/satellite charge for service any more. We just don't watch enough of it. We're down to 7 shows per week when they are new anyway, and all of them are available on streaming services with no commercials the next day.
     
  17. Oct 27, 2019 #397 of 1017
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    Ka is harder to peak than Ku, it's fundamental to the difference in bands. They could be using more error correction, since they have a lot more bandwidth to work with in the first place. Yeah, I have so much stuff to watch on streaming that I would find it really hard to justify even YouTube TV at this point. Maybe next year when UConn goes into the new Big East, and the election/Olympics supercycle happens.
     
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  18. Oct 29, 2019 #398 of 1017
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    If OTT cable services were a Tivo alternative, then one fewer will be on the market starting in January 2020. Sony stated today that PS Vue is shutting down.
     
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    I get Disney Junior via TV Everywhere (YouTube TV) on Channels.
     
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    Bigg

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    I'm not surprised, but it's too bad. I hope YouTube TV and others pick up the QuadView feature.
     
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