TiVo Alternatives?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Saturn, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. Oct 23, 2019 #361 of 1017
    shwru980r

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    It only controls the Fire TV when you press the button.
     
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  2. Oct 23, 2019 #362 of 1017
    mschnebly

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    Maybe there is an FBI van outside too but I really don't think so.
     
  3. Oct 23, 2019 #363 of 1017
    trip1eX

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    i used the x1 last weekend when out of town and kid used voice to find shows and worked great. And we used voice to skip forward 3 minutes all the time to skip most of the commercials.
     
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  4. Oct 23, 2019 #364 of 1017
    bobfrank

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    My comment was partly tongue-in-cheek, and partly not. I'm not familiar with the device and didn't know about the battery situation
     
  5. Oct 23, 2019 #365 of 1017
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    Interesting point about people talking to things but not people. I think some of it has to do with not wanting to interrupt people.

    There is no need for a voice command when a few key presses can do it far more efficiently- if the UI is actually good. Pure keyboard control is the ultimate in high-speed, high-efficiency computer control.

    Exactly. It would be one thing to add voice control to a product with a great UI, but it's no excuse for a poor one.

    True. Most people are oblivious to VQ. That venue should get it's dish properly aligned. While DirecTV with a properly aligned dish will go out for a couple of minutes during a specific set of severe weather conditions, cable goes out less frequently but for hours or days at a time when the physical infrastructure is damaged.
     
  6. Oct 24, 2019 #366 of 1017
    NashGuy

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    Sorry, I just think you don't know what you're talking about with regard to "proper alignment". I saw DTV go out on at least some channels *every* time it rained at my house, despite two different techs affirming my dish was perfectly aligned. And I see DTV go out in too many public establishments around town when it rains (and not necessarily a severe storm) to think that they're all just victims of clueless installers. DBS has certain technical advantages over traditional cable but it has weaknesses too and rain fade is the biggest. It's just weird the degree of denial that exists among DBS apologists like you about the issue.
     
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  7. Oct 24, 2019 #367 of 1017
    WVZR1

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    Your experience with 'weather' and DBS/DTV is from when? I had BellExpressvu here in the 'Southern Province' of West Virginia with 'few issues' with both their early *birds and their later configuration. Early configuration I used only 1 dish, their later refined and much more restrictive footprint did require I used 2 dishes. Weather was seldom an issue! VERY SELDOM!!!!!
     
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  8. Oct 24, 2019 #368 of 1017
    NashGuy

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    Over multiple years with both DTV and DISH. Probably in the 2010-2016 range. My parents, who've had DISH for years, also experience rain fade a fair amount, although maybe not as much as I did. And as I've said, I've happened to notice rain fade instances on DTV at least twice in the past few months when I've been sitting in a local restaurant/bar.

    BUT I'M GLAD IT WAS VERY SELDOM AN ISSUE FOR YOU!!!!!
     
  9. Oct 24, 2019 #369 of 1017
    Charles R

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    I had DirecTV and Dish TV for over a decade and I'd guess my weather related offline time was well less than 10 minutes a year. One or two (extreme) rain storms and typically the signal would go out just prior to the "storm"... and resume within a couple of minutes. Now I believe where you are located relative to the satellite (native signal strength) does comes into play.
     
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  10. Oct 24, 2019 #370 of 1017
    Pokemon_Dad

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    Got Channels DVR set up with the HD HomeRun Quatro again, and as you can see below also added TV Everywhere access using our login for the Xfinity account we're thinking of cancelling.

    For those wondering what the TVE beta includes at this time, here are a couple screen shots of the top of the combo box. It continues with a very very long list of cable companies.

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  11. Oct 24, 2019 #371 of 1017
    Pokemon_Dad

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    For those wondering whether some channels get blacked out in TV Everywhere, this is how some of our Xfinity lineup looks in the Channels TVE list. All the channels I'm about to mention work fine via the Xfinity Stream website and apps.

    Each geographic area is probably a little different, but this is what I see. CNN and CNNI work. MSNBC works, but not Comedy Central. Fox and Outdoor are missing, but CNBC, Newsmax, and Cheddar are there. AMC but no TMC. A&E is among the missing. And so on.

    Most likely we would replace Xfinity with Hulu Live TV if we cut the cord, as we've been tempted many times to add Hulu anyway and it's a small incremental upgrade. As with YouTube TV, that would replace the major cable channels we are likely to miss after leaving Xfinity. That's assuming Channels can access all channels via those services. Anyone care to comment on that?

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    wmcbrine

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  13. Oct 24, 2019 #373 of 1017
    Bigg

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    People with properly aligned dishes rarely have outages, and the few that do happen are summer afternoons for a few minutes when thunder cells pass south/southwest of them. Ka is extremely finicky, and a lot of dishes aren't aligned properly. The Ka peak is extremely sharp and narrow, so if you're even a tiny bit off the peak, you will have rain fade. They also have to be mounted with the main pole and two stabilizer bars all mounted to a solid structure. I'm not a DBS apologist, I'm just stating the reality.

    DISH is a lot weaker, and has more rain fade issues, although I'm not sure how the two arcs compare. DirecTV is far more reliable, and with a properly peaked/dithered Ka dish, rain fade WILL be rare.

    That sounds about right for DirecTV.
     
  14. Oct 24, 2019 #374 of 1017
    Rey

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    My experience with rain fade was similar in all the years I was with dish and directv. Both dishes were properly aligned with very strong signals coming in. Living in south Florida you get thunderstorms a lot and I experienced rain fade too often for my liking. My old man had the same issues with both providers too. He left to cable as well.

    If not for rain fade and the bs channel disputes dish has often I'd run back to them. I liked directv but loved dish network.
     
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    Pokemon_Dad

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    Thanks but what I'm asking now is if all the channels listed there will work with Channels. In other words, I can access all Xfinity channels via the Xfinity app, but not all of them via Channels. Would it also be the case that channels I can access via the YouTube TV or Hulu Live TV apps would not all work with Channels? Hopefully someone who uses one of those with Channels can give us a report.
     
  16. Oct 25, 2019 #376 of 1017
    PSU_Sudzi

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    I tried channels out and didn’t go through them all to see what or wasn’t missing because as soon as I saw it doesn’t work with premium channels, that was enough for me.
     
  17. Oct 25, 2019 #377 of 1017
    swyman18

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    The chart referenced should help you figure out what networks support TVE for each provider (Hulu TV, PS Vue, etc. ).

    Basically, if the provider supports TVE for that network, then it should work with Channels DVR. Some networks like A&E and History do not have a TVE live stream, so you won’t see those on the list at all. In those cases, it doesn’t matter what provider you have. No TVE live stream = No Channels DVR support.

    The Channels community forum has some good info on which provider has the best source of TVE support.
     
  18. Oct 25, 2019 #378 of 1017
    mschnebly

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    Same thing here when I was in WI. Every storm was an outage even after several teams came out to re-align. I couldn't take it.
     
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  19. Oct 25, 2019 #379 of 1017
    OrangeCrush

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    Here's what Channels can pick up from YouTube TV via TVE:

    (P) = Pacific
    MSNBC, CNBC, USA, SYFY, E, Bravo, Oxygen, Sprout, National Geographic, NatGeo(P), NatGeo Wild, Fox News, Fox Business, FX, FX(P), FXX, FXX(P), FX Movies, Sundance, AMC, BBCA, IFC, WE TV, Animal Planet, HGTV, TLC, Travel, Investigation Discovery, Motortrend, Disney, Disney(P), Disney Junior, Disney Junior (P), Disney XD, Disney XD(P), Freeform, Freeform(P), ESPN1, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPN News, SEC, ACC, Golf, Olympics, NBC Sports News, MLB TV, NBA TV, CBS Sports, Fox Sports 1, Fox Sports RSNs (varies on market)

    I omitted the free extras Channels tacks on regardless of subscription. I haven't done a thorough comparison, but some missing channels I noticed by eyeballing the YouTube guide:

    TBS, TNT, Universal HD, Cartoon Network, TCM, Smithsonian, Tastemade, BBC World News, CNBC World, CNN, Headline News

    (Edit: fixed Disney Jr)
     
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  20. Oct 25, 2019 #380 of 1017
    ncted

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    I think the reality is YMMV. I've had both DBS services on and off since 2004. At my location, I found Dish's Ku signal to be less impacted by the weather than DirecTV, especially once I moved to the Dish Eastern Arc. The majority of our weather comes in from the southwest, so that favors Dish, as does their use of Ku bands. That said, at lot of people in Florida complain that the EA is worse for rain fade, probably due to their specific circumstances. Either way, the downtime I've experienced with both services has been much less than 3d 15h 39m 29.5s per year that their marketed 99% availability would indicate.
     

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