TiVo, a leader in failure?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by DAccardi, Feb 6, 2009.

  1. Feb 12, 2009 #61 of 104
    DAccardi

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    There is no point, there was question, that took forever to be answered. I kept getting "they won a lawsuit". I wanted to know if they are making money from TiVo. they are not. I know now. Get it? Got it? good.


    owned.
     
  2. Feb 12, 2009 #62 of 104
    ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    geez, sorry if we were responding to your actual question when you started the thread with some also shoddy analysis by some guy who can not even get why Apple would not want to produce a DVR when they already sell the same shows for profit.

    But fine, you can own your own reality of what happened in the thread.
     
  3. Feb 12, 2009 #63 of 104
    DAccardi

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    If you werent so biased and blatantly so you would have quoted the post that asks that question. Your deemed useless, dont ever respond to any of my threads. Thanks. Your input equates to 0.

    Answer: In the negative, no cashflow, BROKE.

    Zeo's informative answer:
    Like I said earlier, I dont care about what if and imagine that.

    Enjoy your fantasy world. I like to live in one that pertains to facts.
     
  4. Feb 12, 2009 #64 of 104
    ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    the last desperate gambit of someone who has no other reply. Do you really think that is an appropriate way to be part of a forum community?


    PS - the fact is that DISH was found to have willfully infringed and TiVo collected the damages from that act, the money might instead have flowed in over time from a deal with DISH just like Tivo did in fact do with DirectTV and is in fact starting back up again.
    The fact is that TiVo does have that money in its bank account and can spend it however TiVo sees fit.
    In fact TiVo has never seen the hardware business as a money maker and their execs have said as much in various investor calls.
    Deals with companies like DISH that can include the hardware costs as part of their service is where the profit lies for TiVo. Thus the lawsuit is incredibly germane to any discussion of TiVo inc. being a failure or not.
    in fact looking at TiVo as a stand alone DVR hardware only company is looking at the company from 5 or more years ago and missing very important parts of where the new CEO is taking TiVo.

    That is not bias above - that is how things are for TiVo as a company.

    declaring with certainty that TiVio will succeed or fail - that is where opinion finally shows up and one likely formed on bias.
     
  5. Feb 13, 2009 #65 of 104
    DAccardi

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    No just telling you that long winded responses from you equate to 0.

    P.S. - Seriously.

    And also, your rambling, still, TiVo is not making money from their business. Thats all I wanted to know. Not what last weeks investor meeting talked about. Not the visionary dreams of a CEO. The only money they have made, was in a lawsuit. Thats all I wanted to know, not business ideas or any other of your ramblings. Bias is when someone spins awhole bunch of long winded responses to a very simple question, have they made money outside the lawsuit. And you keep replying with everything but. Your clearly biased towards TiVo and do not want to shine any sort of negative light on them. And what makes it even more clear is your responses have been in the tone as if I'm against tivo for posting this. So that is why I ask you to not have any input on my threads cuz they really don't help, or better, answer the question.
     
  6. Feb 13, 2009 #66 of 104
    ZeoTiVo

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    you are the one looking a fool with resorting to personal attacks and flame bait.
     
  7. Feb 13, 2009 #67 of 104
    SteveHC1

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    - Hey Zeo- Aside from "what happened in the thread" (LOL!!!):

    I might have - probably have, in fact - misunderstood your point about the TiVo/Apple thing, but I think you may be missing an important point in this regard (if there even IS an "important point," given it's all moot anyway LOL!!!) -

    AppleTV has NOT been a successful product, at least by Apple standards. Steve J's original goal was to make his Mac line the "multimedia hub-of-the-home." AppleTV was to be as successful with video as iPod was to audio. Didn't happen. Apple, being the unbelievably cash-rich cow that it has always been, has had TREMENDOUS success with buying up smaller companies, acquiring their product(s), reworking them to fit into the Apple products, improving their functionality, etc. Mostly with software, but to some extent with hardware components as well. Apple probably WOULD have been better off if it had simply acquired TiVo instead of trying to develop its own product from scratch. TiVo software could have EASILY been integrated with the MacOS... heck, TiVo even licenses some stuff from Apple! Anyway, the TiVo hardware, with slightly modified code, could've become AppleTV which would've connected with iTunes... well, you get the point. Apple likes to control not just the content and software, but the hardware as well... helps insure quality, coherent user experience, etc. That's why Jobs and Pixar were such a good fit with Disney - same philosophy. IF Apple had acquired TiVo, they probably would've truly cornered the market and had a slam-dunk success.

    But it's all moot. They didn't, and it ain't gonna happen. Maybe it's for the better, cause they would've ditched the subscription, jacked up the price of the hardware, charged for all iTunes video downloads, and blocked access to Netflix, Amazon, etc.!!! ;-)
     
  8. Feb 13, 2009 #68 of 104
    DAccardi

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    Again, input that that has nothing to do with the question. Thanks.
     
  9. Feb 13, 2009 #69 of 104
    ZeoTiVo

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    so I should be overly concerned about your personal attacks and fire up a flame war? Sorry that is not worth my time.
     
  10. Feb 13, 2009 #70 of 104
    ZeoTiVo

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    certainly Apple could have bought TiVo, and Apple investors might have seen that as a slick move to add a DVR to Apple TV quickly while eliminating some competition. I see your point.

    I was coming from the angle of Apple has figured out how to sell TV episodes and movies and the iPod with its portability and features is, I think, a large part of why Apple is able to sell video. Add in Iphone and its offshoots and Apple just has a crazy good portable platform. Only thing is - you have to buy into Apple as the vendor.
    I think that hurt the Apple TV platform, since people are looking more for an all in one living room box that can deliver from multiple sources - or else they don't care and just get a cable DVR and use DVDs.
    Apple has the cash to let this Apple TV be a bust anyhow. They are just playing for the long term when recording things will just seem kind of strange.

    Apple is not looking for hardware it can not sell at a profit and has a very different business model from TiVo - that is bottom line why I think Apple has shied away from a DVR type device
     
  11. Feb 13, 2009 #71 of 104
    DAccardi

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    Not at all, thats your perception, I would just like your input towards me to be constructive, not just a bunch of nonsense and spin on TiVo and answering my questions with imagines and what ifs, visionary dreams, investor concall meetings, etc..... Berkshire, thanks for the PM you sent, good to know we agree on some things.
     
  12. Feb 14, 2009 #72 of 104
    ZeoTiVo

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    I do not post to your specifications. I am not the one throwing around the nonsense of personal insults that are nothing more than flame bait.
    Add in veiled references that refer to some private PM and you are basically being some little Lord Fauntleroy that thinks this forum is solely for your use and if posters somehow impact on your delusions then they must be eliminated or at the least told to stop posting.

    If you somehow think any of this helps the forum or gives you the repsect of others than I feel pity for you.

    PS - maybe you could be constructive and point out how looking at only the hardware actually is a valid analysis of Tivo inc and prove me wrong
     
  13. Feb 14, 2009 #73 of 104
    DAccardi

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    Zeo, Its ok. Just let it go. Its over and done with, I got my information relating to what Tivo has in the bank minus a lawsuit. Thanks for all your posts on everything but what they have minus the lawsuit. Happy Valentines Day! :)
     
  14. Feb 15, 2009 #74 of 104
    ZeoTiVo

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    notice I am Ok with your horrible posting manners. Just really gutless of you to personally insult someone and then go - "its OK, just let it go."

    My constructive input to you would be to act like a real person and apologize for your tactless posting and breaking of rules on personal insults.

    OH and maybe you could also stop telling other people how and when to post.
     
  15. Feb 15, 2009 #75 of 104
    slowbiscuit

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    And you could stop being so much of a Tivo fanboy too, not that it's likely to happen.
     
  16. Feb 15, 2009 #76 of 104
    ZeoTiVo

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    yeah how biased to speak of all the aspects that makes up TiVo inc. in a thread on if TiVo is a leader in failure. Why did I not bow down to the great starter of the thread and post exactly as his instructions explicitly stated.

    I always get a laugh out of how the people throwing "fanboy" around are the ones either backing up a totally biased agenda or promoting their own bias.

    look back at the history -
    the OP was too lazy to get his own answer
    I was addressing the fact that his anlysis of just looking at sale of hardware was flawed.
    Then I was the one flamed for not answering his specific question, when I never said I was posting to do that.
    The OP never once tried in any way to prove what I said wrong, but stooped down to personal attacks.

    perhaps you in your infinitely fair wisdom will show where something I posted here was indeed wrong or if not wrong how something that is correct is bias?
     
  17. Feb 19, 2009 #77 of 104
    slowbiscuit

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    Had nothing to do with this thread and everything to do with the overall content of what you post on these forums. You should work there, because you apparently never see a decision made that you don't like.

    When the company can do no wrong and you defend or justify everything they do, you're a fanboy, pure and simple. It's blind loyalty.
     
  18. Feb 19, 2009 #78 of 104
    berkshires

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    Considering starting a Poll on whether this Thread was a failure.
     
  19. Feb 19, 2009 #79 of 104
    ZeoTiVo

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    and my perception is you always post on negative aspects of the company, are you a hateboy?

    the answer of course is neither of us are the labels being thrown around - I have the maturity to not try and label posters and instead deal with the content of the posts versus trying to tar and feather people.
    Still waiting for anyone to reply to the actual content and facts of my posts here and show how I am wrong or how stating those facts is somehow trying to spin things for TiVo.
     
  20. Feb 19, 2009 #80 of 104
    ZeoTiVo

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    as soon as DAccardi started going negative and telling me how to post - it became a failure.
     

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