TiVo 14.5 Update

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by stevo1569, Jul 10, 2010.

  1. Jul 12, 2010 #21 of 292
    RichB

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    TiVo already collects statistics from activity that is phoned home.

    Apparently, performance was not a design objective nor was it considered a blocking criteria for shipment. Management = the problem ;)

    - Rich
     
  2. Jul 12, 2010 #22 of 292
    smbaker

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    Yes, but advertisements fetched directly from the advertiser are proof that an advertisement was shown. This sort of system was prevalent for a time in pay-per-impression advertising on the web before pay-per-click became much more popular.

    Lack of caching is such an elementary and obvious mistake, and a fairly easy thing to fix.

    I've read speculation that the engineering/programming was outsourced (though there's no confirmation of it as far as I know). I suppose it's possible that a communication barrier let something like this happen.
     
  3. Jul 12, 2010 #23 of 292
    RichB

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    Either way it os not excusable.
    On the one hand, you can pay the price when you click.
    On the other hand, nothing like pissing off the people who bought the box so you can sell click throughs.

    There is one of the reasons Google rules the search world.
    They gave the searcher what they wanted first.

    - Rich
     
  4. Jul 12, 2010 #24 of 292
    rv65

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    512 MB of RAM is quite generous for a box running a 1,100 DMIPS CPU. Most cable DVR's running a similar chip have half that amount like 256 MB.
     
  5. Jul 12, 2010 #25 of 292
    andrewl570

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    Anyone think tivo will cache in the future? For some reason I think the speed we see is the speed we get.
     
  6. Jul 12, 2010 #26 of 292
    aaronwt

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    This fix better not break what is already working properly for me.
     
  7. Jul 12, 2010 #27 of 292
    crxssi

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    As has been discussed numerous times: yes, performance issues need to be addressed, but it is highly unlikely the enabling dual cores will do much to improve performance.
     
  8. Jul 12, 2010 #28 of 292
    donnoh

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  9. Jul 12, 2010 #29 of 292
    johnner1999

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    I would rather they released the product with all of the features being the same. And no performance hiccups. But alas I assume TiVo was getting cash starved and or needed more lime light.

    Dont get me wrong love TiVo I had an original Philips model, Sony DVR, Humax with Dvd burner, a couple dual tuner S2, one full S3 and a couple HS boxes and now two S4 units.

    BUT

    as soon as my cable company releases its Remote DVR system I'll most likly sell these Two tivo boxes...
     
  10. Jul 12, 2010 #30 of 292
    aaronwt

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    I'm not sure that there are many electronics devices that meets that criteria that have been released in this century.

    It would certainly be extremely rare.
     
  11. Jul 12, 2010 #31 of 292
    johnner1999

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    well I didn't say flawless operation :)

    but close are:

    Apple TV
    PS3
    Xbox 360
    iPod
    iPhone (more or less)
    TiVo Humax units
    TV's with widgets
     
  12. Jul 12, 2010 #32 of 292
    aaronwt

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    Most device that have firmware updates end up having some issue crop up at some point and then a new firmware has to be released quickly for a fix. the PS3 and Xbox 360 are prime examples of that. WHich to me doesn't make them clsoe at all. Not to mention other issues they both had as well. The new iphone has some serious issues which might end up biting Apple in the ass if they aren't careful.
    I seen issues with Widgets on TVs that needed to get updates to be fixed as. I've never used an IPod(I only use devices that can play WMA files)
     
  13. Jul 12, 2010 #33 of 292
    johnner1999

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    Well the 'boxes' I listed for the most part performed well with near zero performance loss (granted with updates many of them gained speed and glitz BUT prior to updates the device out of box experience was pretty darn good.)

    as far as the iPhone same thing with each firmware they did get better BUT for the most part they worked! (off topic iPhone 4 may or may not have issues - but they seem to drop less calls)

    On top of that none of the above boxes had a hodgepodge of menus and interfaces at launch (or ever)... most well known companies would never get on stage and say they reinvented themselves with a go live product in the shape the TiVo S4 was delivered in.

    Lastly - I'm not BASHING tivo rather questioning what were they thinking? I like my S4s BUT its the last money TiVo gets from me (besides the yearly fee). At the end of the day they both do the job which is why we still have them. But being a Mac guy, it pains me to see so many menu changes and crappy code in a released product. Not saying that I dont want updates every few months to teak this or unlock parts that were not finished. I so do want them and look forward to them. But its like buying a brand new car that has half of the interior from the last generation and then have the dealer tell me MAYBE in 3 months we will ask you to return so we can finish the rest of the car to match...

    I hope this didn't come across as tivo hate -- which its not!
     
  14. Jul 12, 2010 #34 of 292
    sghrush

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    I think you're one of the rare ones. It was a big enough problem which affected enough users that Tivo thought it best to add a bug fix for this in the next update.
     
  15. Jul 12, 2010 #35 of 292
    aaronwt

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    I thought I had read where TiVo had already manufactured a bunch of the Permieres and they were sitting in warehouses. You can only do that for so long. At some point the product has to be shoved out the door which is probably what happened. You can only sit on stock for so long. Since each day you are losing more an more money.

    And with their quarterly statement(Feb-April) it does show that TiVo had a big upswing in sales(their hardware revenue tripled). So the one month(April) in the quarter when they sold Premieres really boosted their totals.

    Although the results of the next quarter, May through July, where they sell premieres the entire time should really show how their sales have been going with the Premiere.
     
  16. Jul 12, 2010 #36 of 292
    lessd

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    And they had stop making the TiVo-HD, so all TiVo had to sell was the Series 4.
     
  17. Jul 12, 2010 #37 of 292
    innocentfreak

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    I believe Dave Zatz or Ben Drawbaugh at one point said based of things they had heard the Premiere was originally supposed to launch in November 2009. I believe the hardware was ready and based off the instruction manual showing up around the holidays it makes sense.
     
  18. Jul 12, 2010 #38 of 292
    johnner1999

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    The 7 P's of Business (or anything)

    Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance
     
  19. Jul 12, 2010 #39 of 292
    aaronwt

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    When you deal with the government like some of the contracts we have at work, there is almost never proper planning. They never even plan for common sense stuff. One agency built a new structure and forgot to include a server room. They never even realized their mistake until a few months before the building was supposed to be finished. So they had to pay through the nose for some extra space in another building and a super fast connection between the buildings.

    And unfortunately we see issues like this regularly. It's amazing the government can get anything done. But they sure know how to spend money. They certainly throw enough our way.

    But I understand the government since it is the norm, we see it in private industry too, but nowhere near as often as with the government.
     
  20. Jul 13, 2010 #40 of 292
    sghrush

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    That is so true!
     

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