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Timeless - Season 2 Thread *spoilers*

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by DevdogAZ, Mar 13, 2018.

  1. cstelter

    cstelter Member

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    To each his own :). I take discussions and sharing of information seriously. But a TV show? no.
     
  2. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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  3. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    I really liked the "fish-out-of-water" JFK episode, but didn't like that little bit near the end where the face on the fifty cent piece changed to Nixon. It shouldn't change simply because JFK made a random decision that put him in danger. It should only change if history actually changes (i.e. he gets killed, doesn't ever get back to 1934, etc.).
     
  4. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    That's a time-travel show/movie trope that I absolutely loathe (probably most famous from Back to the Future; Loopers used it as a central plot element and not just a stupid way to show that things are changing). The point is clearly not to show what was happening, but to show US what was happening. I guess by now they just use that visual shorthand because everybody else uses it.
     
  5. Peter000

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    At least it was used to inform the characters in the movie as well as the viewers in BTTF.
     
  6. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    Which makes it even dumber. But there's little doubt in my mind that the reason they did it was so that WE would know what was going on.
     
  7. Peter000

    Peter000 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Why? It totally works within the context of the story.
     
  8. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    It's not dumb within the context of the story...it just makes the story dumb. Pictures changing in your hand? It makes no sense...the only thing it accomplishes is letting the audience know that things are changing.
     
  9. longrider

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    I agree that the changing picture is just a tool to show us history is changing. Of course they should have shown it changing back after they saved Kennedy and sent him back to 1938. You also have to remember that only the time travelers even know anything has changed. To anybody else it is the way it has always been. They even brought that point up with Kennedy's assassination. They warned him about Dallas so he avoided it and was instead assassinated in Austin. Only the travelers realized history had changed.

    One other thing that bugs me even though I realize it would destroy the story telling is that once they stop a plot that story is done. Rittenhouse has time travel! The killing is stopped in 1938 so go back to 1939 and try again. Stopped again? try again in 1940. Even the sleeper agents could be handled the same way, the first sleeper is killed, go back to 1910 and plant another
     
  10. Rob Helmerichs

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    Didn't they say they can only go to a time once? In which case there's the problem of eventually "filling in" the possible landing points...
     
  11. andyw715

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    Yeah. But didn't they drop JFK off and pick up the other guy at the same "time"?
     
  12. Rob Helmerichs

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    That would have been a later trip (while they were gone Flynn was able to accomplish his mission). Probably the "clock" only "runs" while the ship is there.

    Which raises the question of what happens when the ship overlaps with another ship? Say ship 1 lands at 0+2 hours, then ship 2 leaves later but arrives at 0. Does ship 2 automatically get bounced back at 0+2? Is ship 1 blocked from landing at 0+2 even though ship one left later? Does the universe simply cease to exist?

    So many questions! :D
     
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  13. longrider

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    The most common "theory" is that the restriction is limited to time AND place. Something rather catastrophic can happen if two versions of yourself come together. As far as the two ships are concerned there is no restriction as they are different.
     
  14. cheesesteak

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    The short segment where JFK learns about his and his and his siblings' deaths got to me.

    Wyatt should know that a bullet to Emma's head beats a knife to Lucy's throat. For all her bloodthirsty talk, has Emma actually killed anybody yet? It bugs the heck out of me when Emma and that Rittenhouse dude discuss murdering Lucy in front of her mother like it's a normal, every day thing.
     
  15. Rob Helmerichs

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    Sorry, I meant two iterations of the same ship...
     
  16. aaronwt

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    So you know actually what would happen? :confused: No one knows since time travel is not a reality. And of course there are many theories about it, but none are proven.
     
  17. waynomo

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    I'm avoiding any spoilers and not reading anything in this thread. I've been busy and saving the season 2 episodes.

    How has season 2 been so far?

    I thought the show only became a time travel show with the last episode of season 1 where the paradoxes and themes of time travel get explored. Has season two started expanding on that?

    I love time travel as a theme/plot device in general.
     
  18. longrider

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    Without getting into spoilers I would say yes they have explored what time travel can cause more
     
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  19. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    They only did it as shock value for the viewers, because we saw the coin change, and then immediately cut to Emma pointing a gun at JFK, then cut to commercial. So it was meant solely to heighten the tension for the act out. But since we know that once they came back from commercial, Emma didn't actually kill JFK, so why would the coin have changed before she did? That makes zero sense (unless they had been showing us the coin changing multiple times throughout the episode as the decisions they made changed the probability of JFK ever becoming president).

    As for the BttF gimmick with the picture, that one didn't bother me as much because it wasn't a binary thing. It was Marty and his siblings fading from the picture (and ultimately Marty's physical body starting to fade) as the events in 1955 made it less and less likely that the version of 1985 that Marty came from would ever happen. It was silly in the purely scientific analysis of the issue, but it was a pretty brilliant way to depict to the viewers and the characters what was happening and create a sense of urgency.
     
  20. RGM1138

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    Well, remember the words of the renowned time traveler Dr. Jean-Claude Van Damme, “No two objects can occupy the same space at the same time.”
    Except, he said it with an accent.
     
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