Advertisements They want you to have a box so you can buy PPV movies and events easily. Most people don't realize they can get them to deduct the cost of a box from digital cable if they don't want it. Most CSRs have no idea it's possible to get digital cable without a box. It also changes the calculations for using TiVo. Right now I have 2 SA8300HDs which have a line item cost of $30(2 x 9.95 for DVR service + $10 for a second box). However, if I gave back both boxes I would save $40 a month because I can get them to deduct the price of the first box from the digital cable package. If you go to TWCs website below you will see that "Navigator+ for first outlet" is 10.26. "Navigator+ for additional outlets" is 9.26 which is what I pay on my second DVR. Now they won't deduct that full price because you are getting a "discount" by subscribing to digital cable and getting the box, but they should deduct around $8 or $9. http://www.timewarnercable.com/Carolinas/shop/pricing.html I had an SD Series2, but when I switched to HD I went with the TWC offering because of the looming SDV problem(and because the TiVo S3 was $700). Now that the resolver is out and about I'm thinking about getting TiVo again which is why I'm following the thread.