Threads that asking for Closed Caption in TiVoToGo

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by jushen1, Jan 30, 2005.

  1. jmemmott

    jmemmott New Member

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    The RealMedia/SIML document issue is just confusion on the part Windows. It shouldn't cause any problems : SMIL is another markup language for authoring accessible multimedia presentations. Current versions of the Quicktime Player and the RealMedia Player support SMIL. SAMI is similar to SMIL, but was developed by Microsoft and is supported by Microsoft products. This can create confusion because SMIL files and SAMI files may both use the same (*.smi) extension.

    It does mean that you are processing the .tivo files to create sami files but there is a problem with WMP interpreting the contents of the sami file. I think I know the cause but it is too messy to talk you though a fix so you will need to wait until I post a new copy of the program to my website. (one of the reasons I indicated that this isn't yet ready for wide distribution - you are all guinea pigs right now). I will let you know when it is ready.
     
  2. mstylady2

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    Thanks for the follow-up.

    I'd rather wait anyway; I'm not technical at all, so I need a "download it and run it" kind of thing. Thanks again for your efforts!


    Juanita
     
  3. bizi21

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    Thank you for your efforts to solve the closed captioning problem with TiVo transfers. I tried your program, but in looking at the *.smi file there is nothing past header info. Tried on two different transfers - same result. Will await future attempts. B
     
  4. jmemmott

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    I just want to let you know that there is a newer version available. It cleans up UI issues and some formatting within the SAMI text. It also adds information on how to playback closed caption video in DirectShow media players other than Windows Media player. I use Zoom Player because it has been a staple in the HTPC (Home Theater PC) world for a long time.

    Notable outstanding issues: I still haven't had time to clean up all of the closed caption control codes so embedded special characters can be an issue and special formatting can produce duplicated characters and other anomolies in the text : "I WANTED HIMIM TO O GO B BECAUSE IT ". Finally, the file format for TiVo files downloaded through the Tivo Desktop and those downloaded by other means (web browser, javaHMO) are slightly different. At this time, I only support the format created by the Tivo Desktop. If you use these other mechanism, the program won't find any CC information inside the file even though it is there: http://shinnyo.com/t2sami
     
  5. Das Achteck

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    Like bizi21, I am getting nothing in the file past the headers. That is so for 1.0012 as well as 1.0011.

    I also use Zoom, but VSFilter 2.35 gave me some problems with Matroska so I dropped back to 2.34.
     
  6. jmemmott

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    If you have time to help me track this down, I would like to work from a known starting point. Try recording something like the half hour nightly news (NBC unless you have another preference) at Basic quality. That gives us a smaller file ( around 1GB) with know captioning content.

    After you transfer it to the PC create a new directory off of the root : say C:\t2sami and copy the .tivo file into it while you are logged in as the account we will use to do the extraction. (C:\t2sami\NBC Nightly News (Recorded Mar 10, 2005, KSBW).TiVo ). Then try the conversion process.

    I am trying to split the problem so I can get a handle on it. If you still can't extract the captions, I may need to get a copy of this file from you. We can work out the details offline (PM) but for the public record: the file will be encrypted and I do NOT want any information on your MAK. This should keep us within both the spirit and letter of the Tivo TOS.

    If you don't have the time to work with me, let me know and we will find someone else in the forum with the same problem.

    Thanks...
     
  7. Das Achteck

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    I have a full boat tonight - including Rather's last show. So I'll use that and get back to you tomorrow.

    /EDIT

    Still nothing past the headers. PM sent.
     
  8. NYJetPhan

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    Thanks Jmemmot for this great feature, its actually quite dissappointing that a user has to figure these things out. I do not use Media Player for my TiVo files, I have a Media Center PC which allows me to watch these shows as well as use my remote for FF, RR Pause and skip ahead...I could not use MP, major Codecs issues that were not cleared up even after a "recommended" purchase. I cannot get captions to display on Media Center using your program, they are there with MP though, I can just barely see them where they get cut off (thats my MP issue). Can you or anybody help me get these captions to show on Media Center? Any show I record with Media Center has and shows captions, so I know I am configured correctly in that regard. I can offer you any kind of outside help, I am deaf and home 24/7...let me know and THANKS A MILLION!!
     
  9. jmemmott

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    I do not have access to a MC so I cannot help much with that. Since positioning is an issue in WMP, my initial suggestion for that would to be to switch from the captioning built into WMP to the VobSub VSFilter I mention on my site: http://shinnyo.com/t2sami. On the site, I focus on its use in other DirectShow players but it will work with WMP just as well. It has been used longer and with a greater variety of players than the WMP captioning. It gives you better control over position, visibility, etc. of the captions. Install it and bring up the control interface while a movie is playing (ALT+"S") to make adjustments.

    My personal ”best” solution is not WMP. I use that as my baseline because it is consistent with Tivo’s recommendations. I use Zoom Player (http://www.inmatrix.com) with the VobSub VSFilter. I have no personal stock in Zoom Player except as a long time user but I can use it to tame the mixture of conflicting DirectShow filters and codecs that come from installing multiple DVD burner packages, video cards, capture cards, etc. It gives me a single, simple viewing interface for everything from DVDs to Divx to Tivo files without the need to continually tune the DirectShow filter merit or even leave the viewer. VSFilter gives me similar control over the captioning.
     
  10. NYJetPhan

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    Well, thanks for your help, I'll give the Zoom player a shot. Media Center is really a great PC, basically a DVR. If I had cable in this room I'd have a box here and no need for TTG, I'd just record here instead. But, we moved and there is no cable in this room...I did try that filter, and it was being used by my MP, but my picture was still bad. My problem was, and still is that my picture is cut off on all 4 sides. Captions where only visible if there were 2 (or would it be 3?) lines showing, then the top line would be visible. Thanks again, and great job.
     
  11. jmemmott

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    If you are using another player, you can use the Alt + "S" key combination to bring up the VOBSUB interface. If you are using WMP, it often takes over the keyboard interface so you need to look in the system tray for the DirectVobSub icon (big green arrow on my system) while the movie is playing. Double click will open it.

    On the main tab, click the "Text Settings" button. In "Screen Alignment & Margins", change the bottom margin (defaults to 20 or 30 if I remember correctly). Make it 100 for example. That will move the captioning up the screen Your picture will still be cut off but the captions should be visible. Remember to "Apply" the results to make it permanent.
     
  12. NYJetPhan

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    Are you talking about Closed Captions on a PC DVD Player? 99% of all DVDs support either CC or Subtitles with a majority supporting both.I often have to turn off captions because I prefer subtitles. Every PC with DVD-Rom I've ever had supported CC. Or are you speaking of BURNING Captions onto DVD? I am probably one of the few people that has never copied a DVD before, but I would imagine that the captioning signal would be copied, after all, a VCR does it.
     
  13. groggle

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    Take it from the deaf: all DVDs that have subtitles and captions that are displayable on PCs. I do it all the time. They also burn nicely from their source DVDs to burned DVDs. The missing captions in TiVoToGo are an omission. Just like working codecs for proper sound playback.
     
  14. NYJetPhan

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    I have actually fixed my playback problem on WMP, it was an obscure setting that I had to change, not all of the recommended Codecs I purchased, still no captions until I installed the filter. Finally I have this working, been pulling my hair out since early February when I first got TTG. Now lets see if we can get this to work on DVDs now...TiVo, are you listening?
     
  15. groggle

    groggle New Member

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    Well, dont leave us hanging, what's the obscure setting!
     
  16. NYJetPhan

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  17. curtiser

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    Let me see if I understand the process correctly:

    I download the T2SAMI program.

    I run the T2SAMI program and select the programs I want to convert and hit START. When it finishes, nothing happens but the START is no longer dimmed and I hit the X button.

    In the My Documents\My TiVo Recordings folder, there is one movie clip file for each program recorded plus one SMIL (RealPlayer) file.

    I open up Windows Media Player, set the captions on, turned off video overlays, turned on high quality mode. Then I opened the TiVO file to play and entered the playback password.

    No captions showed.

    What else did I miss? I think I didn't.

    Oh yes, the SMIL file did show captions when I opened with TextPad but it is of RealPlayer type.
     
  18. NYJetPhan

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    My video fix was for WMP, had nothing to do with Captions, thats why I was wondering why you wanted it. Download the Filter from his site and install that, then you will have captions. Sorry if you got a bit confused there, but some of that had nothing to do with captions, more of a supposed "Codecs" problem I was having.
     
  19. curtiser

    curtiser Curtis

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    Even if I turned the overlay back on, it still had no effect.

    What "filter" are you talking about? I already downloaded T2SAMI and created the SMIL file. Nothing happens as I said earlier. What else is missing?
     
  20. NYJetPhan

    NYJetPhan New Member

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    There is a filter he has on his site...VSOB or something like that??? I deleted the install so I dont remember what it is called...it is there, I believe there are 2, just get the correct one then you will be reading as you watch...It is short ans sweet, just adds a .dll file I think.
     

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