Think we'll hear about S3 today?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by jeffrypennock, Sep 5, 2006.

  1. Sep 7, 2006 #101 of 116
    cwoody222

    cwoody222 Well-Known Member

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    The cablecard is only needed to get HD or digital cable channels from your cable co.

    You could use the S3 without cablecard if you only want analog cable and/or OTA HD.
     
  2. Sep 7, 2006 #102 of 116
    Bierboy

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    When I had the Sony DHG unit, I had no cablecard, and I was able to pick up HD locals through cable (as well as OTA). And I do NOT have the digital tier. I would hope the S3 would also have that capability.
     
  3. Sep 7, 2006 #103 of 116
    jeffrypennock

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    Oh crap, not again! We've had this discussion on about a thousand other thread. Yeah, some cable companies send the local HDs through without anything else required (CC, STB, dital tier, whatever) and some don't and there's differing legal opinions on this board as to what their legal requirement is for that. Let's not hash this out for the 75th time.
    Bierboy, you do this to be antagonistic, don't you? :cool:
     
  4. Sep 7, 2006 #104 of 116
    Bierboy

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    No, just to inflate my post count. ;)

    Actually, I knew this had been hashed and re-hashed, but just wanted to assure folks that, in all likelihood, the S3 can handle it (if, as you say, the cable co. cooperates).
     
  5. Sep 7, 2006 #105 of 116
    greg_burns

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    Duly noted. But is it correct to say that it is not taking (any more) space away from other recordings?
     
  6. Sep 7, 2006 #106 of 116
    greg_burns

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    In all likelihood, I thought Tivo wouldn't NOT have QAM remapping features. Let start this discussion again. I am still confused. :p
     
  7. Sep 7, 2006 #107 of 116
    drew2k

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    Maybe this thread on QAM Remapping will have the answers you seek? :)
     
  8. Sep 7, 2006 #108 of 116
    greg_burns

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    Been there. Maybe Bierboy can check it out and lets us know if we are on the same page with this stuff.
     
  9. Sep 7, 2006 #109 of 116
    Bierboy

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    I have, and the more I read, the more confused I get (but, then, I'm old :D ). I'm just saying the Sony did give me unencrypted local HD over analog cable (Mediacom) as well as OTA. If a POS unit like the DHG did it, I would hope the S3 will. Bottom line, as with all S3 speculation is....we'll know when we hook it up!
     
  10. Sep 7, 2006 #110 of 116
    greg_burns

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    Oh, the S3 can definately do it. But will it have guide data? Without guide data from Tivo it is useless, IMO.

    They say since these channel mappings change so frequently there is no way Tivo could keep up. Not sure how I could either, manually doing it, if they changed daily as has been suggested.
     
  11. Sep 7, 2006 #111 of 116
    moyekj

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    At least for channels with PSIP information the channel-subchannel should not change daily. With proper PSIP information (which the major network HD channels have) a properly designed QAM tuner will use the "friendly" channel information. For example, CBS HD is 85.3 for my cable headend but with my Fusion HDTV tuner in clear QAM mode it reads the PSIP information and maps it to the friendlier 2.1 designation which corresponds to the OTA channel number for my area.

    So even if the S3 doesn't support manual mapping at least I hope it can decipher the PSIP information and map to the friendly channel numbers which should make it useable with guide data for OTA listings. That would still not be ideal as there are many unencrypted digital channels without PSIP, but at least it would be better than nothing.
     
  12. Sep 7, 2006 #112 of 116
    MichaelK

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    I dont know but i think others have said that only some providers puch the PSIP data. I seem to recall cablevision does and timewarner doesn't but not sure...
     
  13. Sep 7, 2006 #113 of 116
    cwoody222

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    I've talked to lots of people in my area (pre-Adelphia, now-TW) who get free (with basic analog cable, line 'lifeline cable') unencrypted QAM local HD stations. None of those people (using a variety of tuners) have the channels properly mapped.

    I - in the same market, with a QAM enabled TV - can't get anything. Cable co couldn't tell me why. I think it's some filter on my box on my house but that's nothing more than a box. So I use OTA because I get more channels anyway.
     
  14. Sep 7, 2006 #114 of 116
    apsarkis

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    It may vary on other systems, but on my TW system here in NY there's been only two shuffles of the QAM channels since I got my HDTV in Jan '05. When that happened, just did a re-scan of the digital channels. I get all the "local" HD channels, and the SD side-channels too (and even a TW internal HR training channel that I can't get with my cable box).

    Perry
     
  15. Sep 7, 2006 #115 of 116
    HDTiVo

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    A little over an hour and it becomes today again... :D
     
  16. Sep 8, 2006 #116 of 116
    jeffrypennock

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    Well, whatsmore than that, it's already been established in a previous thread that the S3 will DEFINITELY be released on someone's birthday...Sept 8th is my so I can confirm with 100% certainty that the S3 could possibly be released on this day as it is an eligible day. :D
     

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