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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Fixer, Dec 23, 2019.
What ‘The Witcher’ Gets Right That ‘Game of Thrones’ Got So Terribly Wrong
Interesting take. I don't think Witcher is even in the same league as peak Thrones (or really even mod-range Thrones)...but I agree that in some ways Thrones was deeply, deeply flawed, and that Witcher successfully overcomes many of those flaws.
I was quoting one of his longer monologues.
I'm down to the final episode of the first season and it took me a while to realize they kept jumping around in time. It was extremely confusing until that point hit home. I knew nothing about the character or the story line before seeing the show.
It's a weird article. The author spends time explaining how The Witcher is one big eight hour ball of confusion but then it seems like someone else came in after the fact to make the headline and the large, bolded quoted text about what they didn't like about GoT. It's like that person didn't think the review could stand on it's own so let's throw some GoT hate in there to grab some eyeballs.
I don't understand the article. How does "Game of Thrones" get female characters "terribly wrong?" I strongly disagree.
Exactly, they were name dropping GoT in order to get us to read the article.
I saw this graphic timeline for the series posted on another forum:
Netflix | The Witcher | Map of the Continent
I was thinking it covered a far larger amount of time...
I'm not convinced that's really Ciri at the end of Ep 8. We don't know the fate of the doppelganger, and Ciri left the cabin on the path next to the cabin (Geralt went towards the left into the woods). Since they used the same camera positioning to establish both scenes, it's definitely a different direction. She had a plan when she was leaving, and I don't think it was to turn around for no reason. We'll see if it's a ruse or just a deus ex machina oh-crap-we're-at-the-end-of-ep-8-so-bring-them-together.
And the wonderfully appropriate utterances of "f*ck!"
They made a big deal about the cut on his face, so I would think that dopple-Ciri would have one unless that was a pointless red herring.
He pales in comparison to Robotman on Doom Patrol. All of his utterances, of which there are too many to count, are increased by two additional words as in "What the f*ck?"
You...do realize that's three words?
Yes, f*ck plus two additional words as I just stated. It's nice to see that our educational system is paying off dividends.
Ah, I was confused by the fact that many, many of his utterances have other words in addition to those three.
Question, since you seem to have read the books: is there much in the TV show that isn't covered in the books? Or is it mostly just a retelling?
I ask, because I like the characters based on the games and the first short story book, but so far I haven't been able to get through more than five minutes of the show at a time. I'm not sure if it's Cavill's performance (very possible), or some other aspect, but I just can't get into it. I'm wondering if there's any point in trying to push on through, despite whatever's bugging me, or just give up and read more of the books instead?
Spoiler: “Book vs show spoilers”
It’s mostly a retelling of Geralt’s stories but other characters are a little more expanded.
The show added a significant amount of back story to Yenefer’s character. It also introduced some important characters earlier than they appear in the books and in doing so, changed their characters a noticeable amount.
Aside from introducing some people at different points, some other major characters are changed a bit — but the overall plots are mostly directly from the books.
The show’s first season mostly covers the first two short story collections with a bit of added material not seen in the books.
I would definitely recommend The Sword of Destiny if you enjoyed The Last Wish. So far I found the books noticeably better than the show, but I also felt the first two books (short story collections) were the best, and some of the show’s elements make me hopeful that it will be getting good quickly.
I haven't read any of the books, but in my experience the books that were the basis of most Hollywood movies or TV shows are generally better than the movie itself. It's rare that a director actually follows the exact story from a book. They usually put their own spin on the story and some render the final product unrecognizable from the original (e.g., pretty much any Tom Clancy novel). The only show I have ever seen that followed the original book almost verbatim was the first 3 or 4 seasons of Game of Thrones. I started reading the first book and it was like reading the screenplay for the show.
Books allow the reader to use their own imagination to interpret the story or the characters involved. When you see it on a TV or movie screen, you're seeing what the director or screenwriter interpreted or distorted. I'm sure schedules and budgets play a huge part in this so they have to bastardize the original story to make it fit within budget and time constraints.
Aside from leaving about 3/4 of it out, but they did a masterful job of cutting so they maintained the "look and feel" of the books. Which only improved as they got deeper into the series, and the books became more bloated and increasingly aimless-feeling. By the time they ran out of book, the TV show was clearly superior to the source material (it took a drop in quality in some respects when it moved past the books; Martin may be a wildly undisciplined writer, but he brought an awful lot to the table and the show suffered when it lost that).
There are a fair number of movies and shows better than their books, but it’s usually because the books weren’t very good and usually weren’t well known. Occasionally both are good and the show is better (Big Little Lies, The Leftovers).
The Witcher books weren’t masterpieces. The show could have been as good or better, if they had made different choices. Maybe if the show runner hadn’t watched Dunkirk it would have been a much better show...
The Doppler would not ask "Who's Yennefer?"