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The Walking Dead "The Lost and The Plunderers" S08E10 OAD 3/4/18 *Spoilers*

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Cainebj, Mar 5, 2018.

  1. smbaker

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    Negan has "saved" more people then Rick ever will. Similarly, Rick has "killed" more people than Negan ever will. Rick is really, really good at killing. Far better at it than Negan is. Rick is also pretty good at leaving defenseless people to die (most recently, Siddiq and Jadis).

    It's starting to look like the Saviors are the real protagonists of this series.

    Wow, look at that spike on the S7 opener. I guess killing off a main character and not saying who is a great way to get a 1-episode bump. Little staying power though.
     
  2. Tony_T

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    From beginning, after Maggie's Farm, whenever Rick & Co. found a new friendly place to "stay", I thought to myself, "that place isn't long for this world". Rick's presence destroyed them all.

    Maggie's Dad was right when he wanted to get Rick off of his property
    (I forget how Rick got to stay as long as he did)

    Edit: In S1/S2, the CDC fell before Rick arrived, but I don't recall if he made it worse.
     
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  3. smbaker

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    IIRC the last CDC guy wanted to destroy the lab and tried to take Rick and company with him. This may be the one incident that wasn't Rick's fault.
     
  4. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    Simon said something like, "I noticed the helipad out back. And the solar panels. What was this place?" I didn't get the sense that those things were still in use, but that it was unusual for a landfill to have those things so maybe there's something more to the dump than meets the eye.
    And why run to the gazebo, and then have to run back to the van, and then drive right past the gazebo on their way out? If they knew they needed to hurry, why not start the van, drive it up next to the gazebo, leave it running while they try to put the fire out, and they can jump back in if the walkers get too close.
    Of course he did. Rick is a complete idiot. I've been rooting for him to get killed for several seasons because he always makes the wrong choice and gets all his people killed.
     
  5. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    When the Saviors came along. That season after they killed Glenn and Abraham was so depressing it was hard to watch. And ever since it has just been them dragging out the fight because people seem to like the actor that plays Negan so they don't want to kill him off. That should have been a one season arc. Half the season depressing and the second half they come back and win. Done. Dragging it out for two seasons is too much.
     
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  6. MikeMar

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    Or 1.5 seasons (might have been perfect) and setup something for the 2nd half of this season which would setup next season

    Every season having a big bad is a bit much, but every 1.5 seasons would work out pretty well I'd think
     
  7. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    That assumes their plan is to have Rick & Co. defeat the Saviors. But then that's just a rehashing of every other situation where our "heroes" get into a conflict with some other group and eventually prevail. I think it would be more interesting to have the Saviors win in some fashion, and totally change up the focus and direction of the show.
     
  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    That would kill the show for me. I barely was able to get through the first half of last season where they were essentially defeated. The whole point of this show is that the heores win, although usually with significant losses. They've lost enough, it's time for them to win this fight. I hope Rick bashes Negan's head in with the bat for some poetic justice.
     
  9. Tony_T

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    That would be a twist ending for the season ;)
     
  10. pmyers

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    This was the only time I actually liked Negan when he was talking to Rick and not "performing".

    I still don't understand the Aaron thing and the coastal women. You took their guns, then killed their leader....why do you think they would help and why do you need them now with no guns?
     
  11. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    But the show has repeatedly shown us that Rick is not really a "hero." The story is simply being told from his perspective. Maybe it's time for the show to acknowledge that none of the main characters are "heroes" and it's time to let someone else win.
     
  12. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    But the saviors have been set up to be the bad guys. If they win the show is essentially over because all hope is lost.

    It may be an interesting idea as a thought experiment, but it's not good TV and will kill the ratings even more. If you look at the chart posted above the ratings started to tank when the savior story line started. Not really something they should double down on.
     
  13. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    I'm sure you're correct with respect to ratings. And I'm sure the producers of the show would agree with you.

    I'm simply saying what I would find interesting, since I no longer find the current framework of the story to be compelling. I think Negan could be shown to be a sympathetic character if there weren't so much conflict. The bad stuff we've seen him and the Saviors do has all been in defense or retaliation for what Rick & Co. have done. I think it would be interesting to have the Saviors gain the upper hand, at least for a little while, with no war going on between the factions, and see whether Negan can behave in a way that most would consider to be "good."
     
  14. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    The Saviors are basically slave drivers. They use fear and intimidation to force other people to work for them. There is no scneario where they can be sympathetic no matter how likable Negan is. The conflict between them and Rick & co didn't start because of Rick. It started because they had already enslaved Hilltop and Rick & co tried to help them. Later we came to find out they had done the same to The Kingdom and attempted to do it with the beach ladies and when they resisted they killed all the men in their group.

    The Saviors can't win. They're the bad guys plain and simple. They have a charismatic leader, but they're still a gang of thungs that enslaved people to make their lives more comfortable.
     
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  15. Bierboy

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    Lucille was very prominent in one camera shot of the exchange between Negan and Simon. I fully expect she will come into play very soon...
     
  16. tivotvaddict

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    Whatever happened with Negan's "wives" that were trying to kill Negan. Did they die in the attack?
     
  17. Bierboy

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    People here keep using the word "win" like they actually believe one side will "win" and one will "lose". Bottom line is all sides will win AND lose, and there will never be a clear "winner" or "loser"...
     
  18. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    I think the definition of "win" and "lose" in this context is based on being under the Saviors' control and protection. If Alexandria, Hilltop, and Sanctuary (AHS) end up giving all their guns to the Saviors and have to pay a tribute to the Saviors every week, that's a win by the Saviors and a loss for the rest. If AHS are able to retain their guns and avoid paying tribute to the Saviors every week, that's a win by AHS and a loss for the Saviors. Obviously whichever outcome ends up happening, there will be many losses on both sides.
     
  19. Tony_T

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    And I'm sure that it will be Maggie swinging "Lucille"
    …too predictable. :(
     
  20. pmyers

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    I'm still waiting for the plot line where Eugene poisons Negan using his built up tolerance to the poison.
     

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