The Walking Dead "Self-Help" 11/9/14 | Talking Dead 11/9/14

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  1. Nov 10, 2014 #41 of 162
    generaltso

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    The engine of a fire truck needs to be running for the pump to operate. The transmission can be switched between Drive and Pump. If the engine's not running, where's all that water pressure supposed to be coming from? Free energy?
     
  2. Nov 10, 2014 #42 of 162
    Beryl

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    It is just that I see that rapists are outliers and anyone that does this would be eliminated by others immediately -- no courts. It is like a pedophile would be allowed to exist for long. Or, is the tendency to rape more widespread than I think it is.
     
  3. Nov 10, 2014 #43 of 162
    DevdogAZ

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    Not to mention that these humans who don't care about other humans are going to be more likely to survive in the Zombie Apocalypse. And the circumstances of the ZA are likely to influence other people, who would not have done something like that before the ZA, to become more callous and selfish (see Gareth and the Termites). So the percentage of surviving men who will resort to rape would be significantly higher than the percentage of men who would do that in our civilized society.
     
  4. Nov 10, 2014 #44 of 162
    Bierboy

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    Rape is not a "recreational activity"....it's a power/control thing (from all that I've read). In a society where men have been rendered virtually powerless, I can see where this could be an issue ("proving" they still have some power or control). Just my two cents, and that's not worth much....
     
  5. Nov 10, 2014 #45 of 162
    getreal

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    I was thinking that, right after killing the walkers outside the ridiculous bus ramp flip, as some people were winded and dropping to their knees, that it would have been pretty easy to mistake them for a walker and accidentally stab a fellow survivor in the noggin.

    With all the SFX of blood splatter and weapons added in post, I expected the water pressure to have been enhanced considerably in post as a special effect.

    Imagine how much Abraham would lose it when he finally discovers the truth about Santa and Noah and Jesus and the Easter Bunny. ;)

    Well, "Barrel" ( ;) ), it's not just the zombie apocalypse that brings that aspect out but also in war. Soldiers are notorious for raping women (and children) before killing them or leaving some to survive after having them witness brutalities inflicted upon their loved ones. Is it because soldiers are trained to separate morality from killing and they then take it to another level? I don't really know, but there are studies about this topic. And when you take into account the immorality and brutality taking place by women in women's prisons, it is not just a "male" phenomena ... albeit mostly a male thing.

    I agree that it has more to do with power, as proven in the Stanford Prison Expt.
     
  6. Nov 10, 2014 #46 of 162
    Necromancer2006

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    Which is kind of in a roundabout way exactly what Abraham and Glenn were talking about in the window over night watch (well, Abraham was talking TO Glenn anyway).
     
  7. Nov 10, 2014 #47 of 162
    Maui

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    Well, the rapists last night were eliminated pretty quickly.
     
  8. Nov 10, 2014 #48 of 162
    DevdogAZ

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    Whether the rapists are eliminated immediately by others depends on who the "others" are. I'd suspect that in the ZA, someone who wanted to commit rape wouldn't do so in front of others if he wasn't sure of what the others' reaction would be. Rapists are going to associate themselves with other rapists.

    So if you've got a group like Rick's, a rapist among them would be dealt with very quickly. But if you've got a group like the one Daryl briefly joined last season, they probably wouldn't care at all about the rape and would probably all join in.

    This is why Rick's group has to be incredibly careful of other survivors in the ZA, because we now know that many/most groups of survivors no longer adhere to any pre-ZA set of rules/laws/morality.
     
  9. Nov 10, 2014 #49 of 162
    ihatecable

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    I was thinking the same thing. That looked like the hardest straight punch to the face I have seen in a long time, Eugene looked practically brain dead as he fell down! Also in TD the actor who plays Eugene was a little tight lipped even if he character was alive.
     
  10. Nov 10, 2014 #50 of 162
    Hcour

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    Good ep. Glad to see the show back on track after last week's utter debacle.

    Though I do think it stretches credulity considerably to think that Eugene could just run into Abraham and claim to have the cure-all for this world-wide disaster and that Abraham (and then the rest) would buy it hook line and sinker on nothing but Eugene's word.
     
  11. Nov 10, 2014 #51 of 162
    DevdogAZ

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    After all, he is smarter than them.

    ;)
     
  12. Nov 10, 2014 #52 of 162
    Rob Helmerichs

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    It works for me. Abraham believed it because he needed to believe SOMETHING and Eugene gave it to him. And everybody else was just a follower of Abraham (Glen & Maggie basically spelled that out).

    It will be interesting to see what Abraham does without a Mission, and what his followers do without a strong leader...
     
  13. Nov 10, 2014 #53 of 162
    JohnB1000

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    Den of Geek seems to be assuming that Eugene is dead. I don't think so even though he should be based on that punch and fall.
     
  14. Nov 10, 2014 #54 of 162
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    No need to spoilerize that stuff
     
  15. Nov 10, 2014 #55 of 162
    MikeMar

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    I did because the actor said it was different in the comic than they portrayed in the episode
     
  16. Nov 10, 2014 #56 of 162
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    He's saying that Eugene could be dead or could die, not that he's assuming he's dead.

    Den of Geek says:
    http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/the-walking-dead/241121/the-walking-dead-season-5-self-help-review
     
  17. Nov 10, 2014 #57 of 162
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    He didn't say it was different. He said that it was a call back to the comics (the explanation he gave on TD is exactly what did happen in the comics) but that in the future the tv show could go back and explain it differently.
     
  18. Nov 10, 2014 #58 of 162
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    And last season when Eugene, the bumbling fool, accidentally shot up the truck because he couldn't control the gun, was actually disabling the truck on purpose.
     
  19. Nov 10, 2014 #59 of 162
    MikeMar

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    Oh GOOD call on that, forgot about it
     
  20. Nov 10, 2014 #60 of 162
    Maui

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    And yet some of us felt that this episode was much weaker than last weeks. It was an hour long build up to a revelation we all pretty much expected.

    At least the Beth episode answered the question where she was and set up next weeks episode of Daryl and Carol chasing the car that leads them to her.
     

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