The Unit -OAD 1/04/09

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by verdugan, Jan 5, 2009.

  1. pendragn

    pendragn Well-Known Member

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    I'm with you guys, I HATE the druggie Bob storyline. So out of character.

    I spent nine years in the Army Reserves and National Guard. I spent a lot of time at regular Army units. Military protocol goes out of the window all the time due to familiarity. For years as a PFC and SPC I road to drill with a Major,the Company Commander of the other unit in the building. We were friends before I joined and it just made sense.

    Like Rob suggests, if you like this show, read Haney's book. It's a good book on its own, but it's a great augmentation to the show.

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  2. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

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    What do you think would have been in character? For him to tell Jonas what happened and being sidelined from missions? Perhaps getting kicked out of the unit?
     
  3. hanumang

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    Yeah, I don't get the venom for the heroin thing. After all, it is heroin. Not an easy thing to kick.

    And, from what we've seen of The Unit, they're very much about silent suffering (or whatever term you'd like to apply). Much like when Bob had all those visions about the Lebanese(?) kid he killed in Five Brothers and, ultimately, had to deal with it on his own.
     
  4. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

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    + me....why not let it play out before vilifying it?
     
  5. pendragn

    pendragn Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I think telling Jonas about it would have been in character. I don't know that it would have resulted in him getting kicked out of the Unit.

    I'm against the storyline that the writers wrote. I don't doubt heroin is tough to kick.

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  6. ADG

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    No offense, but Reservists aren't real army until or unless they are called up to active duty - and I assure you that if and when that occurs they learn to follow military protocol real fast. Admittedly it's been a while, but I was regular army and I stand by that portion of my previous post. Having never served in Special Ops or on a Delta Team I don't have first hand knowledge of how enlisted men and officers interact, but I'd still be very surprised if it's as loose as portrayed in the show - especially between a colonel and enlisted men, with all deference to Mr. Haney's book.

    And yes, he's a Sergeant Major - but that still leaves 2nd Lt, 1st Lt, Capt, Major, and Lt Col between him and the individual to whom he reports. That's too many levels to be believable. But as has been pointed out, it's a television show not real life. Guess I have to lessen my expectations :)
     
  7. Jolt

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    Command Sgt Majors job is to keep his enlisted and officers in line. lol. I know in the Navy Command Master Chief runs a fine line with protocol and ive seen a few chew some officer butt.
     
  8. verdugan

    verdugan Well-Known Member

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    I don't know. It feels a bit jump shark-ish to me. But I hope to be proven wrong as I really like this show.
     
  9. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    I was more upset about the incredibly clumsy way Jonas cut the cards. That just screamed, "Hey, I'm cheating!" :)

    Also, I didn't see any player cut the deck on any other hand....
     
  10. ruexp67

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    Not to mention that it is VERY uncommon for players to cut the cards when there is a dedicated dealer. The assumtion being that the dealer doesn't have a stake in the game, so they wouldn't be cheating.

    I think Jonas was "clumsy" with the cut to EMPHASIZE that for the audiance.

    It's also VERY unbelieveable that someone without ANY poker experience would be so comfortable at a table for the first time. Blinds, chips, cards and table ettiquette is something that takes at least a LITTLE time at a table. Not just a piece of felt on a box.

    The watch was VERY contrived too. It's very uncommon to play for stakes off the table. I didn't get a good look at the board when Bob won, but if he had a boat, and the general had a straight, and the general claimed there was a flush draw on-board then why was he so upset? Bob could have had the flush (that he claimed to be bluffing at) or the full-house. (A full house cannot be made without a pair on the board. So whenever there is a pair on the board, any player has to be at least a LITTLE suspicious of a boat.) Once re-raised, he would have NEVER put a valuable watch into the pot.

    Complete BS.
     
  11. hanumang

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    What, generals can't go on tilt? ;) Besides Bob's pocket cards were 6-5 offsuit (if I'm not mistaken, he ended with 6s full of 5s). Imagine if Bob had played those hole cards versus, say, Phil Hellmuth. I think the general's reaction - when taken from the (poker) snob viewpoint - kinda makes sense.

    And I don't believe that Jonas had no table experience. I think he was just playing dumb for CIA guy.
     
  12. ruexp67

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    Phil would have just called him a "Northern European Idiot" not shot him full of uber-addictive heroine. ;)
     
  13. verdugan

    verdugan Well-Known Member

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    I don't think he has table experience, but is an expert at reading people. Once he was comfortable reading the player's reactions, he told red cap to go look for Bob. He still didn't know Poker, but he knew people.
     
  14. ruexp67

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    I agree. And that was demonstrated when he called the woman's bet.

    What I am talking about is this: People unfamiliar with sitting at a poker table are OBVIOUSLY unfamilar with sitting at a poker table. It's not unlike being at a formal dinner, and not knowing all the correct ettiquette. Ala "My Fair Lady."

    Some people don't know which fork to use, some people don't know how to manage their chip stacks, cards, etc.
     
  15. MrGreg

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    Here's what I don't get...

    This whole plan included winning the watch and placing it in the safe deposit box of the guy they're trying to force to cooperate. In order for the watch to have any effect, they need the general to be looking for it, because he thinks there's a cheater. So wouldn't it have been part of the plan to have Bob get "captured" if they expected the general to think he was cheating? Then why were they so surprised when Bob did get captured? (and if they were expecting it, wouldn't they have know ahead of time what interrogation techniques would be used?)

    I still like this show, though.
     
  16. ruexp67

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    I thought about that too.

    I blew it off as them just play-acting the surprise for the CIA guy. They have done that sort of thing before. I am not sure they would have known the nature of the torture. It would have been assumed they would beat him.

    But now that you mention it too, I am not so sure about my "theory."
     
  17. verdugan

    verdugan Well-Known Member

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    Ahh got it. I see your point. My extent of poker is knowing that a deck has 52 cards :D No wonder I didn't notice what you did.
     
  18. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    I know, but I think that with that emphasis they're giving the audience zero credit for having more than a brain stem in their skull since the show opened with him repeatedly practicing a cheating cut. :) We know it's coming eventually, so they don't need to plant a giant neon sign on it.

    The dramatically interesting part was that the cold-decking that Jonas did with the cut was to set up the other guy to win rather than himself as we all probably were assuming at the beginning of the show.


    General started with QQ. Bob started with KJo. Inexplicably, Ricky Jay decides to make Jonas stoke the pot even though Bob is a huge dog.

    Bob flops crap. At most an inside straight draw, maybe not even that, I forget if the gutshot showed up on the flop or the turn.

    Third of a suit comes on the turn. General bets big, representing a flush. Ricky Jay is all like, "don't worry, he's just representing the flush, push all-in", which is massively stupid because the general doesn't even need the flush at that point (bluffing with the best hand :)) because his Queens are good and Bob has 2 outs (one of the 2 remaining queens) to win. He can't even hit his King because that makes a straight for the general. And of course he hits his 2-outer.

    Now, if they were cold-decking the general, sure, it's a great play. But they weren't cold-decking that hand, they were using video surveillance of the general's hole cards to gain an advantage. And given that they knew what the General had, but they did not know what cards were coming on the board, they made one donkey play after another and sucked out at the end.

    Brilliant plan. :rolleyes:

    So yeah, I agree with your assessment of BS. :)
     
  19. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    I think the 6's full was a different hand. Maybe Jonas vs. the target. Jonas lost that hand, boat over boat.
     
  20. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    I'm sure Phil watched this episode and thought, "Hmmmmm... that guy is onto something there...." :D
     

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