The Unit -OAD 1/04/09

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by verdugan, Jan 5, 2009.

  1. Jan 5, 2009 #1 of 40

    verdugan Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2003
    Sacramento, CA


    What did everybody else think?

    We felt that it was a bit weird how they just dropped the whole Betty Blue is in love story.

    Did Mack also call Betty Blue by his first name in the elevator shaft? I think he called him Carlitos ? That's the first time we've heard his name.

    Wonder how Bob (is that his name?) is going to kick the heroin habit?

    It was a nice way to bring back red cap. At least they tied one loose end.

    Looking forward to the rest of the season.
  2. Jan 5, 2009 #2 of 40

    zordude WDW Fan TCF Club

    Sep 23, 2003
    Nashua, NH
    I HATE that they gave him a drug habit.

  3. Jan 5, 2009 #3 of 40

    Amnesia The Question

    Jan 30, 2005
    Boston, MA
    I believe Molly called him by name last episode, too...
  4. Jan 5, 2009 #4 of 40

    hanumang Active Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    Pittsburgh, PA
    We've heard Betty Blue's real name mentioned a few times. It's officially Charles Grey but the dudes call him Carlito.

    I hope we haven't seen the last of crazy/rich girl. Even if we did, it would almost make some amount of poetic sense - he found the 'one' but lost her because he couldn't break cover - in the Mamet-verse.

    Thought the episode was good overall. Nice to see the CIA characters are still super shady. (Eric Haney, the dude who's book The Unit is based on, doesn't seem to think highly of that agency). Ricky Jay is perfect in that role.
  5. Jan 5, 2009 #5 of 40

    laria Librocubicularist

    Sep 7, 2000
    Seacoast, NH


    Yeah, we've heard his name many times over the seasons.
  6. Jan 6, 2009 #6 of 40

    appleye1 Active Member

    Jan 26, 2002
    Back From...
    I can't decipher this. Who is the crazy/rich girl and who is the "he" that found her but then lost her because he couldn't break cover? Was that in this episode? I must of missed it.
  7. Jan 6, 2009 #7 of 40

    verdugan Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2003
    Sacramento, CA
    I guess I never caught his name before. My bad.
  8. Jan 6, 2009 #8 of 40

    verdugan Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2003
    Sacramento, CA
    I believe it was the last episode.

    (No spoilers since it already aired)

    Some off beat (crazy) girl stops by the aviation "business" because she needed a piston fixed. Turns out it was a piston from a really old plane (WWI or WWII). Betty Blue (or Carlitos as I call him now :) ) totally fell for this girl.

    He traded a valuable pistol (at least sentimental value) for a brand new piston out of a museum airplane. He flew to see this girl. The stepfather did a background check on him and interrogated him. He called him out on his fake identity. Carlitos obviously couldn't break cover and had to leave w/o seeing her. He was ready to marry her too.

    Just as he's about to leave, he finds out that the crazy girl is super loaded and owns an airline.

    Did I miss anything?
  9. Jan 6, 2009 #9 of 40

    Craigbob Well-Known Member

    Dec 1, 2006
    San Antonio
    I liked this ep. No real bad wife story. But I did think that giving Bob the habit was bit too French Connection II.

    Ought to be interesting to see how they handle it, and what effect it will have on Bob.
  10. appleye1

    appleye1 Active Member

    Jan 26, 2002
    Back From...
    Oh yeah, OK, that makes sense. I thought hanumang was talking about this episode. Thanks for the clarification.

    I don't think Northern Exposure/WarGames stepfather is going to ever be cool with him, unless he totally blew his cover. (Stepdad would probably love him to death if he that happened, but I'm not sure crazy/rich girl would! :))
  11. ADG

    ADG Allan

    Aug 19, 2003
    New Jersey, USA
    While I enjoy the show I have a real problem with the lack of reality in what is supposed to be a "semi-realistic" portrayal of a special ops or delta force unit. For example, there is no way an army unit would have been the ones playing poker and breaking into a vault "Oceans 11" style. And of course there is no way a first sergeant would either be:
    1) leading the unit
    2) reporting to a colonel (or lt col)
    3) speaking to his superior as he does - it's a military unit and I don't care HOW close knit they are, military protocol and the chain of command are always observed.

    And this side story of the wife being brought in to "interrogate" the prisoner - Please.

    And there are always lots of other depictions on every episode that are more than questionable.

    Having said all that, I still watch and - for the most part - enjoy :)
  12. verdugan

    verdugan Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2003
    Sacramento, CA
    I have no first hand experience, but I've heard that in Special Ops rank matters a lot less. Obviously they are not equals, but it's not like being in the regular army.
  13. retrodog

    retrodog King Button Pusher

    Feb 7, 2002
    At the gun...
    Ok, for the record, I am probably one of the biggest fans of this show but that episode just sucked. For reasons that ADG already mentioned, this episode was so technically flawed that it was barely worth going through.

    A few other points about it:

    1. I already saw Casino Royal so this just looked like a rip-off of that.

    2. I already saw Jack Bauer hooked on drugs so this just looks like a potential rip-off of that.

    As far as the crazy rich girl who has the NASA guy from Northern Exposure for a Godfather... well that whole deal was just too contrived and phony in how it all played out. The only way that old fart is going to accept Carlito/Charles would be if he called someone in the military and got a "Don't worry or ask about him" response, sort of like a few seasons ago when that chicks dad did that with another unit member. That response clued him in to the fact that his daughter's BF didn't really work as a clerk or supply person. But since Carlito already told him that he never served in the military, the old guy will never make that call. I guess they'll have to dream something else up to make it happen.
  14. pmyers

    pmyers Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2001
    Gilbert, AZ
    I agree that I don't like the drug habit storyline. I'm sure that what they did to him would have been revealed in a debriefing and they would of handled it accordingly.
  15. Jon J

    Jon J Curmudgeon TCF Club

    Aug 23, 2000
    Music City USA
    I was under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that Jonas is a Command Sergeant Major...the very top of the enlisted ranks (except for the CSM of the Army, of course) and in most instances have more actual command experience than commissioned officers that supposedly outrank them. I suspect that an intelligent officer would recognize the capabilities of a top-notch NCO and follow their suggestions in most instances.
  16. DreadPirateRob

    DreadPirateRob Seriously?

    Nov 11, 2002
    You probably should read both Eric Haney's Inside Delta Force - Haney is an exec producer of The Unit as well as one of the original Delta Force operators - and Mark Bowden's BlackHawk Down for a more accurate description of just how different life inside Delta is from life in the rest of the Army. It's not regular military, and things like military protocol are ignored all the time. Bowden in particular illustrates the conflict in Somalia between the commanders of an Army Ranger company and the Delta operators - the Ranger commanders felt the Delta operators were bad for their unit's morale because the D-boys (as they are sometimes referred to) flaunted military protocol and chain of command all the time. So I give the show a free pass for a lot fo that stuff.

    As for the Ocean's 11 stuff, Delta does a lot of things - aside from the typical counterterrorist and counterinsurgency stuff, they handle a lot of covert missions and cloak-and-dagger type stuff both in conjunction with and for the CIA, especially when the situation requires more training than the what the CIA blackbag people have. So while this may have been a little out there, I don't think it was so much so that it I couldn't roll with it.

    The only real problem I had with this ep was the Kim-as-interrogator plot device. No way, no how.

    Curious to see how far they take the Junkie Bob storyline. Probably not too far, before we get to a rapid detox episode. ;)

    Snake Doc is either a CSM or a Sergeant Major - he has been referred to as both over the course of the show. Either way, he's the leader of Alpha team, not of the entire company. It's certainly an unusual command structure, but given Haney's status and knowledge I'm going to assume it's realistic.
  17. Ladd Morse

    Ladd Morse Member

    Feb 21, 2002
    I can overlook a lot of stuff that just ain't right because this is TV drama, not real life, but the final scene where Bob is in the bathroom shooting up just struck me as wrong -- returning from the mission he would have been immediately put in the hospital for detox/rehab/whatever it takes -- not sent home.
  18. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

    Jan 30, 2005
    Boston, MA
    No one (except Red Cap) knew he was being interrogated using drugs.
  19. Kamakzie

    Kamakzie Are you serious bro?

    Jan 7, 2004
    Agreed, its a lame way of making a new storyline.
  20. verdugan

    verdugan Well-Known Member

    Sep 9, 2003
    Sacramento, CA
    Don't get me wrong. I think it's a lame story line, but they actually didn't show him shooting up.

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