The TiVo Wireless G Adapter is here!

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by TiVoJerry, Dec 27, 2005.

  1. Jan 3, 2006 #81 of 266
    stevel

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    A built-in Ethernet port would not get you wireless. You'd still have to buy a wireless bridge, and they cost much more than a wireless USB adapter.
     
  2. Jan 3, 2006 #82 of 266
    gtrogue

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    You are right about the cost. A wireless bridge can cost around $100, less if you buy used. However, any wireless bridge you buy today or two years from now will/would work without any intervention on Tivo's part.
     
  3. Jan 3, 2006 #83 of 266
    ZeoTiVo

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    actually the first article EwanG linked was all about using the long and random pass phrases to make sure WPA is secure. My take on it is that for now that works but the day will come when WPA has some chink found in it.

    the most secure protection is to go around the perimeter of your WiFi and make sure the signal does not reach places where someone could inconspicuously try and break in.

    personally I still use a wired network with a cable I can pull onto my back porch. I have very little on it worth any extreme measure and I worry a lot more about trojan and spyware vs somone tapping into my home network.

    I vote for TiVo spending very little time on WPA and those that really worry about it can use the methods in The ultimate wireless network thread to use a wireless bridge and do all the security they want. the thread is 20 pages long but I imagine the last 5 pages will be all you need if that
     
  4. Jan 3, 2006 #84 of 266
    xStainDx

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    Got any proof? Just because TiVo says its better does not mean that it actually is. Even if it is does it even matter? You're downloading most of the time TiVo Information. Any 802.11g adapter that you can use TiVo already is suitable.


    Which is one of the main reasons why I'd like TiVo to get on the Ball with WPA. :up:
     
  5. Jan 3, 2006 #85 of 266
    xStainDx

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    That Solution is not cheap. What you're telling me is go out and buy a $79.00 Bridge. No Thanks.

    For the time being I'll use my $8.00 50 foot Ethernet wire and run it through my wall to my router.
     
  6. Jan 3, 2006 #86 of 266
    MickeS

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    I didn't say it was cheap, I said it's a solution. I didn't see you mention anything about the cost. It'll probably cost you about $50 more to get WPA in your TiVo-included wireless network, than it would using a WEP USB-adapter.
     
  7. Jan 3, 2006 #87 of 266
    davezatz

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    Do you have any proof it's not better? In my experience both TiVoPony and TiVoJerry are stand-up kind of guys who I choose to believe. The Broadcom chip documentation also suggests it's more efficient. But maybe we shouldn't believe them either.

    From what I've read it seems like the TiVo adapter has taken over some of the WiFi processing that has typically been handled by the overtaxed TiVo CPU - this should improve performance. To what level, who knows... we'll find out soon enough though. For TiVo to sell a custom adapter at $50 they probably aren't making any money on it, so that's not the motivation either. At the very least, one can feel more confident the adapter will remain supported compared to TiVo's fluctuating list.

    For me, the next evolutionary step would be TiVos, Slingboxes, etc to offer builtin WiFi (and WPA). If the PSP can do it, these other guys can too.
     
  8. Jan 3, 2006 #88 of 266
    NotVeryWitty

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    Good try, worth about $.02. :rolleyes:

    Those articles claim WPA is easier to crack than WEP, but conveniently ignore the fact that it's only easier when a short word-based passphrase is selected. I'm not arguing that WPA is perfect, but it's so much better than WEP that it's foolish not to use it -- that is, unless you have Tivo... :mad:

    I stand by my previous statement:
     
  9. Jan 3, 2006 #89 of 266
    NotVeryWitty

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    Much easier said than done for most of us. What do you suggest, a 20-foot solid lead fence around the property? :eek:

    I also worry more about trojan horses and spyware than someone tapping into my network. However, that doesn't mean I want to run my wireless network unprotected.

    Would you vote for Tivo to drop support for *all* wireless adapters (including their own), and force everyone to use this expensive approach?
     
  10. Jan 3, 2006 #90 of 266
    stevel

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    I have a report from someone with this adapter who says the performance is significantly better than with a commercial Wireless-G adapter. Apparently the TiVo adapter does some of the processing that the driver would otherwise have to do.
     
  11. Jan 3, 2006 #91 of 266
    ZeoTiVo

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    no, but some tweaking of the antennas and their placement can keep signals from going where you do not want them.

    good point, but seriously again, who is going to be creeping around your house/yard looking for that wireless entry.

    no, and I never said that. I simply gave a vote for putting WPA on a back burner.
    I further stated that if TiVo is not providing WPA, then that subset that wanted it could use these methods to get it and have better wireless througput as well. Sure it costs a bit more but if WPA is that important then the extra cost should be worth it (though in the thread, some have made it work well with very cheap adapters they turned into bridges)
     
  12. Jan 3, 2006 #92 of 266
    audiocrawford

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    Then my resolve to pray to the TiVo God's for a wired version is duly renewed!

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  13. Jan 3, 2006 #93 of 266
    rainwater

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    I don't think a wired version created by TiVo could do much more than a supported wired version. There is already less overhead when you are doing wired anyways. I'm not sure what more could be accomplished in that area.
     
  14. Jan 3, 2006 #94 of 266
    NotVeryWitty

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    Well, I can "see" four other networks from my house, and I suspect they can all see my network too. Including the teens across the street who my wife refers to as the Menendez brothers. No "creeping around" required... :eek:

    I know you didn't say that. But, with all due respect, you sometimes really do sound like a Tivo apologist when you defend Tivo's lack of action on some feature. I know you'll disagree, but I'm just stating how it sounds from here.

    FWIW, a few months ago I had just about convinced a colleague at work to return his cable company DVRs and buy two Tivos that he could network together. Unfortunately, he wanted to use wireless on each of them, and when I told him he would have to disable the WPA security on his entire network, or pay for *both* a wired USB adapter *and* a wireless bridge for each Tivo, he laughed at me and said never mind. Maybe that was an isolated incident, but I don't think so. Also makes me wonder how many of the dozen or so returned Tivos I saw stacked up at Best Buy last week were because of lack of WPA support.
     
  15. Jan 3, 2006 #95 of 266
    rainwater

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    TiVo has recently said that WPA is coming. Correct me if I am mistaken?
     
  16. Jan 3, 2006 #96 of 266
    BostonBob

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    Look at the tread "TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo > Ulitmate Wireless Network." I spent most of the day yesterday digesting it. I also read most of this thread.

    Santa gave me a new TiVo for Christmas. I purchased the latest NetGear RangeMax wireless router and USB adapter hoping to introduce a wireless network to my home and hook up my TiVo at the same time. That was before doing research. I was shattered by what I found out on the "Ultimate" forum. My conclusion ... TiVo is way behind. Forget using anything close to "current" technology. If I'd known all of this before asking Santa for a TiVo box, I probably would have left it off the list. Until 802.11g is implemented with USB 2.0 and WPA, networking the TiVo is too risky and too slow. I won't go there. Having it networked was one of the features I was really looking forward to. Now I have to run a phone cord the length of my living room and in front of my fireplace?!?!

    I hope this isn't too far off topic. I applaud TiVo for introducing a "G" adapter. But for me it's worthless with the USB 1.1 thoughput limitations and WEP security risks. You'd think that implementing USB 2.0 would be at the top of the list...what an incredible improvement to already capable hardware (acknowledging there may be processing limitations impacting full bandwidth). Now that TiVo has their "G" adapter out, hopefully they'll follow on with the other missing pieces soon. For a company on the financial brink, it seems like plugging this hole might really help sales to those of us interested in networked multimedia solutions.
     
  17. Jan 3, 2006 #97 of 266
    rainwater

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    Just to clear up some mistakes. TiVo does support USB 2.0 on TiVos 240x and newer. Old versions of the TiVo software didn't have 2.0 support, but the latest versions have for a while now.

    Also, you can use WPA with TiVo if you use a wired usb adapter to ethernet bridge. Certainly, its not the most practical cost-wise, but it is an option if you want more security.
     
  18. Jan 4, 2006 #98 of 266
    megazone

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    Series2 models starting with 110/130/140 have USB1.1 hardware, all other Series2 units have USB2.0 hardware. And USB2.0 drivers are in the software 7.x and up - which is all Series2 untis now.
     
  19. Jan 4, 2006 #99 of 266
    davezatz

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    OK, add me to the list of people not to believe. The adapter is SIGNIFICANTLY quicker than the Netgear WG111 on my home network. I'm going to work up some metrics and a graph, or something similarly geeky, and post it to my page in the next day or so. As sooon as I pull myself away from all these CES announcements (new Forerunner 205 sure looks sexy).
     
  20. Jan 4, 2006 #100 of 266
    TivoZorro

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    For those of you interested in the shipping time. I ordered my Tivo Wireless G Adapter last Thursday Dec. the 29th. in the afternoon. The tracking shows that it is on the FedEx vehicle for delivery. It was shipped out of Irving, Texas and I live in NC. So hopefully by later today my Tivo will be getting it's updates over broadband and transfering shows to my laptop. Can't wait!
     

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