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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by TiVoJerry, Dec 27, 2005.
great. thank you.
Received it yesterday and plugged it in. The TIVO imediately recognized that it was there and notified me to start the setup process. Less than five minutes later it was up on running on my WEP protected network. The system update was many times faster then using the dialup connection.
Now if only there was TIVO To Go for the Mac...
Would you mind me asking how long it took you to get the adapter from order to doorstep?
No. WPA for this adapter is dependant on the TiVo itself supporting WPA, the same as with all other USB Wi-Fi adapters.
Less than three days
what about transfers. do you notice a difference in trasfer speed between tivo to pc and tivo to tivo.
TiVo How about you stop making Mindless Related Wireless Products and Give us the one thing we keep asking for is NATIVE WPA support on TiVo for all 802.11g compatible wireless adapters. This is way more important than selling another wireless adapter for TiVo.
I shouldn't have to buy a wired bridge to use WPA on my TiVo Box. You realize the only reason I haven't used Wireless on TiVo is because of WEP. My entire home network uses WPA and I refuse to drop security for my whole network to WEP just for TiVo.
Lets be honest here you are the only company left on earth of the big wigs that doesn't support it yet and yet I pay TiVo a monthly fee to use your services. I pay Microsoft for my Operating System one time and I get a SP2 with WPA2. I mean I pay tivo every month and I can't even get the first version of WPA.
Your special "MAC Architecture" just sounds like marketing, in what reasoning do I need a special Wireless Adapter? What special bandwidth am I transfering to my Tivo that any 802.11g Adapter ca't do?
Please stop this already. Not having WPA is my only gripe about TiVo. Everything else is awesome.
TiVo is a Linux based machine.
yeah and you're point is?
your answer to me is like saying "The color of the sky is what?" and I say Blue. (like i didn't already know this) point being just because tivo is linux has nothing to do with this TiVo Branded Wireless Adapter.
good to know. I called tivo and they said it should be here within 7 days. They said they can't provide any tracking on it though.
As I've said before (and you can confirm yourself with a quick google of WPA and Hack), there is no more protection afforded by WPA than there is for WEP. So why ask TiVo to waste time on this rather than things which will more actively contribute to their bottom line, and give us more capabilities for the unit?
Just my .02 worth,
The problem with retail adapters is that the manufacturers keep changing chipsets in these. It's no problem for Windows users, as the company includes Windows drivers for the new chipset with the adapter. That doesn't help TiVo, which has to figure out which chipset is used and write or port new drivers for it. What's worse is that the manufacturers make these running changes without changing the model number.
TiVo has taken the right approach by designing and selling (for a competitive price) a wireless adapter that not only works with TiVo, but performs better for TiVo than most retail products. It would be best if they could get these into stores that sell TiVos - perhaps they will.
I'm sorry, but since you made assumptions about the MAC architecture being "marketing" and other declarative statements, I assumed you at least had a working knowledge of what is being discussed. I'm not a techie, but this is what I understand of the situation.
The reason there are such compatability issues out there with wireless adapters is because the TiVo is based on the Linux operating system. Most computer accessories are made for either Windows or Mac machines. By being able to control the MAC architecture themselves, TiVo is no longer at the mercy of other companies changing their adapters and making them incompatable when they were compatable at one point (this is why certain firmware revisions are specified on some adapter models).
This is the same problem the XBOX has. And you really can't get much bigger of a corporation than Microsoft, can you? The XBOX has built-in ethernet, but it is just as much of a nightmare to find a router that works with it as it is to find a compatable adapter for a TiVo. This is not a problem unique to TiVo.
Hope this helps clarify, or perhaps someone with more technical knowledge can help [edit: stevel did so very well above) . Or, you could check previous discussions of wireless compatability, I believe TiVo reps have discussed this at length before.
I agree that TiVo should support WPA, but if there is a simple solution to a problem you have (and there is, you mention the wireless bridge yourself), why not USE that solution, rather than complain that it's not the right solution for everyone?
yep, the point is they need an adpater that is not changing all the time. with their own adapter thay can change as needed for the good of TiVo. Maybe TiVo will provide WPA for this adpater and not for others? I have no idea though.
I do know I would not count on just wireless hardware security mechanisms though if I thought I had soemthing on my home network that needed that much protection to begin with. Excuse me I have to go check the SUV parked outside with a guy typing on his laptop.
The XBox doesn't have the same problem. Xbox Live is the reason finding a suitable router is necessary. The XBox itself uses standard protocols over Ethernet just like a PC. It's the way data traffic is handled by XBox Live and controlled by the router that makes some routers less desirable for use with the XBox. The same problems can occur when playing online PC games.
If Tivo had put a NIC in the box it would work for everybody and Tivo would only have to include support for a single chipset until they decided to change it in future hardware versions. Of all the boneheaded things Tivo has done, not including a NIC, when they were basing all the boxes future advanced features around networking, is the most boneheaded.
If they had to leave something out it should have been the USB ports. Since they are never going to allow the USB connections to be used for external expansion there isn't any need to have them if they had included an Ethernet connection.
The only WPA cracks I have been able to find rely on brute-force techniques, and thus only work on poorly-chosen short keys. The best front-door lock in the world can be opened easily if you leave the key under the mat on the front porch.
On the other hand, WEP can usually be cracked relatively quickly using easily-obtained tools, no matter how good the key is.
For those people who know how to choose a proper key, the claim that WPA does not provide any more protection than WEP is just plain false. I challenge you to provide a source that proves otherwise.
That's really interesting. I didn't realize that the problem was with XBoxLive.
Unquestionably agreed. However, you can't unring a bell, so releasing their own adapter was the best decision at this time. Now I'm just hoping for a wired version...
Two for your consideration:
http://wifinetnews.com/archives/004428.html which also references the fact that the Mac-based Kismet has a more sophisticated WPA hacking tool built-in.
http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=369221&rl=1 which gives a step-by-step of how to crack WPA for fun and amusement.
I believe the last article is the one Steve Gibson talked about in a recent episode of Security Now! He made is clear that the article was very slanted and was not true. I suggest you listen to some of the episodes that deal with WPA and you will see that those articles are not true as long as you have a good password (try this one).